- illani wrote:
- I also thought the spin comments were interesting. As a fan, I've been frustrated with the way the scoring system handles spins, as it seems to put emphasis on changes of position and number of revolutions in each position to get levels, rather than focusing on how fast or centered or well-positioned the spin is (at least, it seems that way to me).
Actually, it's no longer true.
It was this way during the early days of CoP, but because the fans and coaches were complaining that many changes of position made spins seem wobbly and unattractive and some of the positions were difficult to achieve or dangerous for some skaters (for example the Biellman position made Miki's back hurt) the rules were changed.
For example, back in 2006 it was enough to hold spin for 2 revolutions, the Biellman position was practically necessary to get lvl4 on the layback spin, and the skaters needed many difficult variations for the spin to achieve a high level and there was no limit on how many times you could use a given position in one program.
Right now you can't repeat the spin positions in a program (or they won't count as a feature), the Biellman position is no longer necessary, the positions need to be held longer (4 revolutions) and speed + timing to the music are important if the skater wants to get high GoEs. Some new level features were also introduced, such as accelerating during the spin or holding the position for 8 revolutions.
For example, compare CCoSp (change of foot combination spin) from Shizuka Arakawa's Olympic LP (it's the final spin) and Mao's LP this season. Both got lvl4, but:
Shizuka: backward camel (outside edge) - backward camel (inside edge) - donut (oe) -backward sit spin (oe) - (change of foot) -forward camel (ie)- (change of foot) -backward sit (oe) - backward I spin (oe)
Mao: forward camel (ie) - forward camel (oe) - forward twist sit spin (ie)- (change of foot) - backward Y spin (oe)
Mao changed positions twice (camel to sit, sit to Y), while Shizuka - 5 times. (Shizuka actually had one of the more esthetically pleasing spins from that time; some others were really slow and messy).
So, on the plus side, speed and centering is important now, and ISU limited the overuse of the Biellman position.
On the minus side:
*The ISU [says] they want to see more variety in spins, but when you take away options every year, there will only be less. It's now to the point this season where the ISU
has taken away so many spin variations that Adam Rippon and I have exactly identical spins."
Basically ISU, while aiming to limit the repetition of the positions in a program got a bit overzealous. To put it in the simplest terms, they limited the use of the whole "groups" of positions.
For example: the male skaters used to be able to use sit spin variations to fulfil both the flying spin and the spin in one position requirement in the SP. Now it's virtually impossible, so they have to use either camel spin variations or upright spin variations. I noticed it's especially difficult for men, because they are not flexible enough to achieve positions that would count as a feature for camel and upright spin. In result, most male skaters aim for lvl4 camel spin and that ghastly overused catchfoot position.
Another example would be Mao's LP: she used to have two change of foot spins and two flying entrances (and they really went perfectly well with the music) but she had to remove one flying entry and change one CCoSP into CoSp (still lovely spins, especially the final one, but they didn't fit the music as perfectly).
All in all, I think ISU's intentions were good, but they accidentally ended up really limiting the skaters' options.
Still, I wish the skaters tried to work more around the limitations... There are plenty of positions that do not require great flexibility, but look great (upright back attitude, like Yukina in Twilight Waltz EX, upright back attitude with hand assist, like Miki in Aranjuez EX, upright forward attitude like Sasha in Dark Eyes SP Worlds 2005, or Mao in Nocturne SP, or Nobunari in the Tchaikovsky LP, the layover camel or broken camel, the Toller Cranston spin, the Miki sideways sit spin, simple layback, forward scratch like Sasha in Swan Lake, headless scratch...)