2013 Skate Canada

According to ISU bio, Miki's best FS score is 134.76 in 4CC 2011
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00005594.htm

I've always assumed that Carol is a PCS monster, but her highest SP score is just 70 and LP score 131. She was far from perfect in her FS at Worlds13 and she still got personal best score there.

linglang wrote:

According to ISU bio,  Miki's best FS score is 134.76 in 4CC 2011
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00005594.htm

Thanks again linglang.

pearlyriver wrote:

I've always assumed that Carol is a PCS monster, but her highest SP score is just 70 and LP score 131. She was far from perfect in her FS at Worlds13 and she still got personal best score there.

And with the new rule, I'm guessing Caro will get 75+ in SP, and 140+ in LP if she skate clean.

I know I'm late to this, I can't believe how bad the men competition was.   Though it's better to get those mistakes out of your system now, than to be close to perfect, only to bomb in Sochi. I agree with Chan's win, he was the best on the night, however he was overscored, again.  Would it kill ISU, to actually give this dude a score he deserves, instead of pretending to be blind during his skate.  

shar wrote:

pearlyriver wrote:

I've always assumed that Carol is a PCS monster, but her highest SP score is just 70 and LP score 131. She was far from perfect in her FS at Worlds13 and she still got personal best score there.

And with the new rule,  I'm guessing Caro will get 75+ in SP,  and 140+ in LP if she skate clean.

I'm sorry if this has been asked already, but what new rule? ISU has changed the rules so many times that I've lost track of them.   The only rule I'm aware of, is the one that made getting level 4 on steps, easier.

Caro, was overscored at worlds 2013, IMO. The UR in her SP was ignored, and she did not deserve 131 points for that LP. But then again, she's always received far too generous scores for what she's actually produced, so no surprise there. I fully expect this trend to continue this season. 

number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/733309?page=2

Julia Lipnitskaia was asked how she feels about competing against Akiko who is twice her age, and answered "nothing special".
After the press conference was over, she approached Akiko and told her (through a translator) "I admire you very much as a skater. But I was taken off guard by the question, I didn't know what to say"


I posted this because I remember last year, we were a bit  at some things Julia said in interviews, but after reading this I don't believe she ever meant any disrespect. I think she's just a teenage girl who doesn't know how to answer all the questions fired at her.

dangerous_angel_face wrote:

number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/733309?page=2

Julia Lipnitskaia was asked how she feels about competing against Akiko who is twice her age, and answered "nothing special".
After the press conference was over, she approached Akiko and told her (through a translator) "I admire you very much as a skater. But I was taken off guard by the question, I didn't know what to say"


I posted this because I remember last year, we were a bit  at some things Julia said in interviews, but after reading this I don't believe she ever meant any disrespect. I think she's just a teenage girl who doesn't know how to answer all the questions fired at her.

Oh, I remember that. Her word choice describing Mao wasn't the best.  

With nothing special, she also could've meant, that she's not intimidated by Akiko, she just sees her as another competitor she needs to beat. There is something about Julia that always gives the wrong impression. For example, her facial expression, last year, the way she looked and talked, to me it looked like she's arrogant. The same when her scores appear, it's like she' always pissed, whenever her score isn't in high 120. Maybe she's a really sweet girl in real life, but she just doesn't show it.   I hope I'm making any sense.

I'm still not a fan of hers, but I have to give it to her, she's improved tremendously since last season.

zarinaballerina wrote:

dangerous_angel_face wrote:

number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/733309?page=2

Julia Lipnitskaia was asked how she feels about competing against Akiko who is twice her age, and answered "nothing special".
After the press conference was over, she approached Akiko and told her (through a translator) "I admire you very much as a skater. But I was taken off guard by the question, I didn't know what to say"


I posted this because I remember last year, we were a bit  at some things Julia said in interviews, but after reading this I don't believe she ever meant any disrespect. I think she's just a teenage girl who doesn't know how to answer all the questions fired at her.

Oh, I remember that. Her word choice describing Mao wasn't the best.  

With nothing special, she also could've meant, that she's not intimidated by Akiko, she just sees her as another competitor she needs to beat. There is something about Julia that always gives the wrong impression. For example, her facial expression, last year, the way she looked and talked, to me it looked like she's arrogant. The same when her scores appear, it's like she' always pissed, whenever her score isn't in high 120. Maybe she's a really sweet girl in real life, but she just doesn't show it.   I hope I'm making any sense.

I'm still not a fan of hers, but I have to give it to her, she's improved tremendously since last season.

I think she's just a shy teenager who doesn't know how to express herself comfortably in the public, especially when she's becomming more and more popular. I understand her answer about Akiko to mean that she felt at ease with competing with Akiko. Well, I'm not sure if I'd give a better answer when I was 15. I used to be shy and really bad at expressing myself so I can understand that.
As for her reaction to her scores, I get the same impression. But I think Yuna is the same. She always looks like: "What the heck is happening, judges? I'm gonna sue you" when her scores are below her standard.

pearlyriver wrote:

zarinaballerina wrote:

dangerous_angel_face wrote:

number.bunshun.jp/articles/-/733309?page=2

Julia Lipnitskaia was asked how she feels about competing against Akiko who is twice her age, and answered "nothing special".
After the press conference was over, she approached Akiko and told her (through a translator) "I admire you very much as a skater. But I was taken off guard by the question, I didn't know what to say"


I posted this because I remember last year, we were a bit  at some things Julia said in interviews, but after reading this I don't believe she ever meant any disrespect. I think she's just a teenage girl who doesn't know how to answer all the questions fired at her.

Oh, I remember that. Her word choice describing Mao wasn't the best.  

With nothing special, she also could've meant, that she's not intimidated by Akiko, she just sees her as another competitor she needs to beat. There is something about Julia that always gives the wrong impression. For example, her facial expression, last year, the way she looked and talked, to me it looked like she's arrogant. The same when her scores appear, it's like she' always pissed, whenever her score isn't in high 120. Maybe she's a really sweet girl in real life, but she just doesn't show it.   I hope I'm making any sense.

I'm still not a fan of hers, but I have to give it to her, she's improved tremendously since last season.

I think she's just a shy teenager who doesn't know how to express herself comfortably in the public, especially when she's becomming more and more popular. I understand her answer about Akiko to mean that she felt at ease with competing with Akiko. Well, I'm not sure if I'd give a better answer when I was 15. I used to be shy and really bad at expressing myself so I can understand that.
As for her reaction to her scores, I get the same impression. But I think Yuna is the same. She always looks like: "What the heck is happening, judges? I'm gonna sue you" when her scores are below her standard.

OMG pearlyriver, we are of the same mind frame regarding Julia having the same outward emotion like Yuna. While it's good to always expect the best out of yourself, if one is not too careful, that kind of attitude can slowly go from confidence to arrogance. I hope Julia has good ppl around her to keep her grounded where she doesn't turn ppl off. Because honestly, I think Yuna is right on the cusp of the two, if she hasn't already moved firmly from C to A.

zarinaballerina wrote:

I know I'm late to this, I can't believe how bad the men competition was.   Though it's better to get those mistakes out of your system now, than to be close to perfect, only to bomb in Sochi. I agree with Chan's win, he was the best on the night, however he was overscored, again.  Would it kill ISU, to actually give this dude a score he deserves, instead of pretending to be blind during his skate.  

shar wrote:

pearlyriver wrote:

I've always assumed that Carol is a PCS monster, but her highest SP score is just 70 and LP score 131. She was far from perfect in her FS at Worlds13 and she still got personal best score there.

And with the new rule,  I'm guessing Caro will get 75+ in SP,  and 140+ in LP if she skate clean.

I'm sorry if this has been asked already, but what new rule? ISU has changed the rules so many times that I've lost track of them.   The only rule I'm aware of, is the one that made getting level 4 on steps, easier.

Caro, was overscored at worlds 2013, IMO. The UR in her SP was ignored, and she did not deserve 131 points for that LP. But then again, she's always received far too generous scores for what she's actually  produced, so no surprise there. I fully expect this trend to continue this season. 

I was talking about the same rule. But with Gracie Gold getting a huge score inflation this past SC, partly due to new rule, I figured Caro's (who's much better then Gold) inflation will be maximized as well. I hope i'm wrong though. I like Carolina's performance (I especially loved last season's), but I don't want crazy  scores being thrown around just so ISU can hype this upcoming Olympics.

dangerous_angel_face wrote:

Julia Lipnitskaia was asked how she feels about competing against Akiko who is twice her age, and answered "nothing special".
After the press conference was over, she approached Akiko and told her (through a translator) "I admire you very much as a skater. But I was taken off guard by the question, I didn't know what to say"

Oh, again that "nothing special". Julia doesn't English and she uses the interpreter. What she says in Russian means " It doesn't change anything for me. I must compete and that is all." Last year after CoC that tabloid "journalist" Vaitsekhovskaya twisted her words (about Mao) and Julia didn't talk to her for almost a year (cool!). She is not from St-Petersburg and even Moscow. The lack of elegance indeed takes place in her attitude. She comes from the same city as Kovtun where they act rather blant. I see it as cultural difference. But considering that she is at the international market now someone should probably teach her some tips. The fact that she went up to Akiko and explained herself after the press-conference says that there is some improvement going on.
The real fool was the jourmalist who asked that dumb question about twice age. He meant Julia is too young or Akiko is too old? Oh, please.  

let`s talk wrote:

dangerous_angel_face wrote:

Julia Lipnitskaia was asked how she feels about competing against Akiko who is twice her age, and answered "nothing special".
After the press conference was over, she approached Akiko and told her (through a translator) "I admire you very much as a skater. But I was taken off guard by the question, I didn't know what to say"

Oh, again that "nothing special". Julia doesn't English and she uses the interpreter. What she says in Russian means " It doesn't change anything for me. I must compete and that is all." Last year after CoC that tabloid "journalist" Vaitsekhovskaya twisted her words (about Mao) and Julia didn't talk to her for almost a year (cool!). She is not from St-Petersburg and even Moscow. The lack of elegance indeed takes place in her attitude. She comes from the same city as Kovtun where they act rather blant. I see it as cultural difference. But considering that she is at the international market now someone should probably teach her some tips. The fact that she went up to Akiko and explained herself after the press-conference says that there is some improvement going on.
The real fool was the jourmalist who asked that dumb question about twice age. He meant Julia is too young or Akiko is too old? Oh, please.     

Thanks for the REAL translation. The fact that she went to Akiko let me see for myself that she has a respectful attitude towards her opponent(s). I just hope she stays humble despite becoming  (if she does) one of the top skaters.

pearlyriver wrote:

As for her reaction to her scores, I get the same impression. But I think Yuna is the same. She always looks like: "What the heck is happening, judges? I'm gonna sue you" when her scores are below her standard.

  I think you nailed it perfectly.

shar wrote:

While it's good to always expect the best out of yourself, if one is not too careful, that kind of attitude can slowly go from confidence to arrogance. I hope Julia has good ppl around her to keep her grounded where she doesn't turn ppl off. Because honestly, I think Yuna is right on the cusp of the two, if she hasn't already moved firmly from C to A.

IMO, Yuna is heavily gravitating towards the A.
I don't mind confident athletes, it makes press conferences and interviews much more interesting than the usual, "I'm just here to do my best, and have fun". But like many of you have already said, there is a very thin line between confidence and arrogance, and unfortunatly, many athletes cross it.

@let's talk, thanx for explaining the situation. It makes much more sense now.

zarinaballerina wrote:

IMO, Yuna is heavily gravitating towards the A.
I don't mind confident athletes, it makes press conferences and interviews much more interesting than the usual, "I'm just here to do my best, and have fun". But like many of you have already said, there is a very thin line between confidence and arrogance, and unfortunatly, many athletes cross it.

What is A and C  ? I think Tatsuki's attitude at SA can be called confidence. His gesture at the end of his FS seems to say: "Here's my A game. Don't you dare to underscore me. ". It's interesting and not annoying at all.

Yuna's LP World2007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOEtiTNX6gc
Yuna's SP World 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOEtiTNX6gc
Watch her reaction when receiving her scores. While I don't know what was going on in her head and I don't want to call her stuck-up but her reaction strikes me as being cocky. Unfortunately Yuna often gets away with this. Our queen is unhappy with the scores because she deserves much higher or because she was disappointed with her performance blah blah blah, while our dear Mao doesnt'. There are bots who called Mao's reaction when receiving her FS score at SA as being greedy and dissatisfied with the judge's gift  .

pearlyriver wrote:

What is A and C  ? I think Tatsuki's attitude at SA can be called confidence. His gesture at the end of his FS seems to say: "Here's my A game. Don't you dare to underscore me. ". It's interesting and not annoying at all.

Yuna's LP World2007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOEtiTNX6gc
Yuna's SP World 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOEtiTNX6gc
Watch her reaction when receiving her scores. While I don't know what was going on in her head and I don't want to call her stuck-up but her reaction strikes me as being cocky. Unfortunately Yuna often gets away with this. Our queen is unhappy with the scores because she deserves much higher or because she was disappointed with her performance blah blah blah, while our dear Mao doesnt'. There are bots who called Mao's reaction when receiving her FS score at SA as being greedy and dissatisfied with the judge's gift  .

A= arrogant
C= confident

Yuna doesn't often get away with this, she ALWAYS gets away with it. When she's giving us a bitch face it's because she's dissapointed, when she cries on the podium or doesn't look happy, it's because she's overwhelmed and/or sad that she couldn't give her all, blah, blah, blah.    I am so sick of her fans. I know, that not all of Yuna fans are like that, and those who post here and are also Mao's fans, are all very nice, but the majority that posts on GS or FSU, should start living in the world called reality. Honestly, 99% of the time, I just want to hit them with something.   

And     , at those who called her greedy at SA. I guess they've never seen a disappointed expression, or heard of someone who wants to give her best at every competition, and when this doesn't happen she can be breaking world records, and she'd still be dissatisfied with her performance. Yep, that's our Mao, perfectionist untill the end.  

let`s talk wrote:

She is not from St-Petersburg and even Moscow.  

I guess you are from St-Petersburg, aren't you?
People from Kyoto occasionally see us Tokyoites in a similar way.

Julia improved a lot in her skating but still her attitude needs an improvement too. But well, journalist was the worst in this situation, to my eyes it looked disrespectful to Akiko. 
let's talk, are you the same person from Russian FSO forum?

Julia needs to refine her manners. I agree with polosatiy, She was disrespectful to Akiko, She is her older and a great skater, She could be more gentle to answer that question, It's what people with good manners does   
 
I love Mao for lots of reasons, but one of them is the fact that She has excellent manners, She is always a lady !!!  

does anyone have a clip to the mens medal ceremony?

silenceisgolden wrote:

let`s talk wrote:

She is not from St-Petersburg and even Moscow.  

I guess you are from St-Petersburg, aren't you?
People from Kyoto occasionally see us Tokyoites in a similar way.

Lol, I can understand that:lol!:   

ballerinamao wrote:

does anyone have a clip to the mens medal ceremony?

I think, i watched it, but it seem removed! I cant find it anymore!

Haidogirl wrote:

ballerinamao wrote:

does anyone have a clip to the mens medal ceremony?

I think, i watched it, but it seem removed! I cant find it anymore!

I see, no wonder I couldn't find it. I have heard that Oda and Hanyu had a very good time in the ceremony and therefor wanted to check it out  

ballerinamao wrote:

Haidogirl wrote:

ballerinamao wrote:

does anyone have a clip to the mens medal ceremony?

I think, i watched it, but it seem removed! I cant find it anymore!

I see, no wonder I couldn't find it. I have heard that Oda and Hanyu had a very good time in the ceremony and therefor wanted to check it out  

Here it is  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OghHYVB_liU

silenceisgolden wrote:

let`s talk wrote:

She is not from St-Petersburg and even Moscow.  

I guess you are from St-Petersburg, aren't you?
People from Kyoto occasionally see us Tokyoites in a similar way.

Hahaha!  I live in Tokyo and I do see folks here in a similar way as a Kyotoites, even if I am not the one.  

silenceisgolden wrote:

ballerinamao wrote:

Haidogirl wrote:

ballerinamao wrote:

does anyone have a clip to the mens medal ceremony?

I think, i watched it, but it seem removed! I cant find it anymore!

I see, no wonder I couldn't find it. I have heard that Oda and Hanyu had a very good time in the ceremony and therefor wanted to check it out  

Here it is  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OghHYVB_liU

awesome silenceisgolden, thanks alot