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Star85 Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:13 pm | |
| Canadian nationals start today, so I thought do the honors to start a thread. I am one of the lucky people who lives in an area that gets cbc, so I get to watch them! Boy, this competition, and US nationals are going on in the same weekend. I'm going to be spending a lot of time on the couch in the upcoming week! | |
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bibi Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:07 pm | |
| So Am I ! haha Ladies Results after SP: Rank | Competitor(s) | Section | SP | FP | Points | 1 | Cynthia Phaneuf | QC | 66.30 | - | 66.30 | 2 | Joannie Rochette | QC | 64.15 | - | 64.15 | 3 | Amélie Lacoste | QC | 53.99 | - | 53.99 | 4 | Myriane Samson | QC | 53.51 | - | 53.51 | 5 | Adriana DeSanctis | CO | 48.58 | - | 48.58 | 6 | Diane Szmiett | WO | 48.19 | - | 48.19 | 7 | Dallas Daniel | AB/NT/NU | 47.90 | - | 47.90 | 8 | Kate Charbonneau | MB | 47.90 | - | 47.90 | 9 | Vanessa Sauriol | QC | 46.24 | - | 46.24 | 10 | Izabel Valiquette | QC | 46.21 | - | 46.21 | 11 | Vanessa Grenier | QC | 44.67 | - | 44.67 | 12 | Daniela-Bella Favot | WO | 40.98 | - | 40.98 | 13 | Kristy Bell | WO | 40.21 | - | 40.21 | 14 | Erin Scherrer | WO | 40.02 | - | 40.02 | 15 | Mira Leung | BC/YT | 36.45 | - | 36.45 | 16 | Rylie McCulloch-Casarsa | WO | 34.96 | - | 34.96 | 17 | McKenzie Crawford | WO | 33.90 | - | 33.90 | 18 | Alexandra Najarro | CO | 32.88 | - | 32.88 | Pairs Results after SP: Rank | Competitor(s) | Section | SP | FP | Points | 1 | Anabelle Langlois / Cody Hay | QC | 65.47 | - | 65.47 | 2 | Jessica Dubé / Bryce Davison | QC | 62.87 | - | 62.87 | 3 | Meagan Duhamel / Craig Buntin | QC | 62.38 | - | 62.38 | 4 | Mylène Brodeur / John Mattatall | NS | 60.33 | - | 60.33 | 5 | Paige Lawrence / Rudi Swiegers | SK | 58.22 | - | 58.22 | 6 | Kirsten Moore-Towers / Dylan Moscovitch | WO | 54.46 | - | 54.46 | 7 | Brittany Jones / Kurtis Gaskell | WO | 49.11 | - | 49.11 | 8 | Anne-Marie Giroux / Eric Radford | QC | 48.75 | - | 48.75 | 9 | Jade-Savannah Godin / Andrew Evans | QC | 46.26 | - | 46.26 | 10 | Kaleigh Hole / Adam Johnson | WO | 46.00 | - | 46.00 | 11 | Monica Pisotta / Michael Stewart | CO | 44.79 | - | 44.79 | 12 | Noemie Arseneault / Simon-Pierre Côté | QC | 42.35 | - | 42.35 |
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Star85 Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:19 pm | |
| Oh crap now I know what happens! My dvr started recording that an hour ago, and I was just about to go watch it! It's ok though bibi, I'm not mad at you at all It's my fault, I shouldn't have come back to the thread seeing that a Canadian had posted on here after the event had already happened. Duh! Stupid me! What happened with Joannie?! Guess I'm off to go find out right now... | |
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bibi Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:17 pm | |
| OHhh! I'm soooooo sorry!! I should write on the top of my post that I'm going to post the results next time!... | |
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roma Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:08 pm | |
| Huh?! Joannie is only in second?! What happened? Good for Cynthia, though. Kurt Browning tweeted that his fave moment so far was Cynthia going for it and holding nothing back. It must have been a really good skate. | |
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☆Genie Triple Loop
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:10 pm | |
| cynthia was pretty good:) | |
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MikiAndoFan#1 Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1448 Join date : 2009-06-27 Age : 31 Location : Portugal
| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:42 pm | |
| I'm surprised about Joannie, but I already took a look at the protocols and she fell on the 3Lz, so maybe that's the reason she's in 2nd. But I'm so thrilled for Cynthia! If she can hold it together in LP, she might win her second national title! Good luck to all! | |
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chiyori Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:12 pm | |
| Hmmm I had a good feeling about this comp until the last competitor. An average Chan with a hand down on his planned combination and who could only tack a double on his planned solo triple just scored 90.14... I agree that Patrick should have the highest PCS (though maybe not by 11 points), but he also has the highest TES while Chipeur was clean and very much "on"...
Anyway, I get that they're trying to give him a confidence boost but a 12 point lead is pushing it in my opinion. It's just disappointing for the other skaters who did not seem to benefit from the typical Nationals overscoring.
ETA: How did you manage to copy-paste those tables, bibi? | |
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coconut Triple Loop
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:25 pm | |
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MikiAndoFan#1 Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:28 pm | |
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clovera Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1773 Join date : 2008-07-05 Location : Tokyo Francisco
| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:38 pm | |
| - chiyori wrote:
- Hmmm I had a good feeling about this comp until the last competitor. An average Chan with a hand down on his planned combination and who could only tack a double on his planned solo triple just scored 90.14... I agree that Patrick should have the highest PCS (though maybe not by 11 points), but he also has the highest TES while Chipeur was clean and very much "on".
Dai's 92 with a generous GoE boost and Plushy's 100 with the "Russian bonus points for difficult elements" on their SP look pretty reasonable now. It also makes the NA media outlets criticizing Dai and Plushy's Nats scores look like total fools because Skate Canada has just done the same thing with PatChan and I'm sure USFSA is bound to follow should Evan skate clean. Eek. I hope Joannie can put it together in the FS; she's definitely struggling again. | |
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bibi Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:30 pm | |
| - chiyori wrote:
- Hmmm I had a good feeling about this comp until the last competitor. An average Chan with a hand down on his planned combination and who could only tack a double on his planned solo triple just scored 90.14... I agree that Patrick should have the highest PCS (though maybe not by 11 points), but he also has the highest TES while Chipeur was clean and very much "on"...
Anyway, I get that they're trying to give him a confidence boost but a 12 point lead is pushing it in my opinion. It's just disappointing for the other skaters who did not seem to benefit from the typical Nationals overscoring.
ETA: How did you manage to copy-paste those tables, bibi? ahah, I just copy-paste it from the results page that I found on skatecanada.ca I underlined here (the mens results for example http://www.patinagecanada.ca/fr/events_results/events/cdns10Result.cfm)it all and it worked fine as for PatChan, I agree with you that his jumps (especially the 3-3, because I thought the 3axel was amazing!) were not better than Vaugh...but the technical element scores are based on 8 elements and the jumps are only 3 of them...Patrick managed to get level 4 on everything else which means on 6 elements! The other competitors did not do this and I don't think Plushenko did this either...but he got 100 points! | |
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chiyori Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1035 Join date : 2008-11-18 Age : 39 Location : Montreal, Canada
| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:04 pm | |
| - bibi wrote:
- chiyori wrote:
- Hmmm I had a good feeling about this comp until the last competitor. An average Chan with a hand down on his planned combination and who could only tack a double on his planned solo triple just scored 90.14... I agree that Patrick should have the highest PCS (though maybe not by 11 points), but he also has the highest TES while Chipeur was clean and very much "on"...
Anyway, I get that they're trying to give him a confidence boost but a 12 point lead is pushing it in my opinion. It's just disappointing for the other skaters who did not seem to benefit from the typical Nationals overscoring.
ETA: How did you manage to copy-paste those tables, bibi? ahah, I just copy-paste it from the results page that I found on skatecanada.ca I underlined here (the mens results for examplehttp://www.patinagecanada.ca/fr/events_results/events/cdns10Result.cfm)it all and it worked fine as for PatChan, I agree with you that his jumps (especially the 3-3, because I thought the 3axel was amazing!) were not better than Vaugh...but the technical element scores are based on 8 elements and the jumps are only 3 of them...Patrick managed to get level 4 on everything else which means on 6 elements! The other competitors did not do this and I don't think Plushenko did this either...but he got 100 points! That's what I did and it didn't work! Ah well I'll leave it to you then. About Patrick, I agree with you. He is stronger than all of the other competitors. His 3A was gorgeous, his spins are very good and his footwork is amazing! He hits all the levels and gets very good GOEs to boot... But jumps are still the bigger (higher scoring) elements of a program for me and that's why I think that while Patrick being in the lead is fine, the scores could have been closer together. Anyway, it's over now so no use complaining And for the record, I did not like Plushy's score either and I thought Dai-chan was overmarked. But Nationals are Nationals and there's nothing we can do about it | |
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roma Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:32 pm | |
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illani Triple Loop
Posts : 551 Join date : 2009-11-14 Age : 44 Location : Alaska
| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:53 pm | |
| Er...that's gotta be some free skate... Don't get me wrong, I like Joannie, but...wow. | |
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MikiAndoFan#1 Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1448 Join date : 2009-06-27 Age : 31 Location : Portugal
| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:32 pm | |
| When I first saw Joannie's score, I thought "Wow... the judges must be deseperate.". I already saw the LP and it was really good, but 144.08 is a little over the top. Anyways, congratulations to Joannie and Cynthia for making the Olympic team. The FD is over and Tessa & Scott won with 221.95 points and Vanessa & Paul in 2nd. Does that mean Vanessa & Paul get to go to the Olympics? | |
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Oscilla Triple Flip
Posts : 431 Join date : 2007-11-22
| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:45 am | |
| I just watched Chan's SP. WTH? When I saw the score I thought he skated the lights out -. and even in this case I suspected the Nationals Overscoring Factor to come into play. ...But over 90 for that?! The promoting of the "aces" of the country is just . So far the scoring at USA Nationals seems to be (by far) the most realistic so far. I'm loosing any hope for fair scoring in Vancouver - I just hope some of my favorites will stay until Sochi (and build enough reputation to guarantee not being overlooked during the overscoring process). CoP is becoming even easier to manipulate than 6.0. Just throw all lvl4 all of a sudden, and +3 GoE on a jump with a shaky edge on the landing, while a perfect jump by other skater will be lucky to get +1. And even if the skater botches half of their jumping passages, there's always PCS to take care of things. With Joannie's LP, I'm actually not all that surprised (considering her 70 points SP at SC). Her LP is very smartly choreographed, she did skate the lights out, and 7 triples in the LP is something we rarely see these days. Of course, Akiko with 7 triples will be lucky to get 115-120... | |
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coolmeia Triple Flip
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:17 pm | |
| Seeing Chan SP scores make me want to do this to the judges. It is rediculous | |
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clovera Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:55 am | |
| Well, at least PatChan's LP performance appears to be better than his SP. That said, I have to say I'm complete bemused that Skate Canada is giving an even bigger Nats buffer in their scores than the Russian Federation this year... | |
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aoi88 Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:54 am | |
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Batsuchan Dedicated Mao Fan
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Star85 Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:28 pm | |
| Pretty good competition this year! I like seeing everyone fight so hard I agree with everyone about Patrick. He was very overscored. Especially in his SP. Poor Vaughn. Yes, Patrick probably did do the best overall, but I think the final scores should have been much closer than they were. Vaughn was underscored IMO. At least he gets to go to Vacouver though Joannies LP was freakin fantastic!! Definitely one of the best skates I've seen anyone do all season, and probably the best I've seen her skate yet. Pairs was great - as always in Canadian Nationals! I wasn't surprised at all the Annabell and Cody did well. If they hadn't have been injured, and set back, they would probably still be the number one team in Canada. Lot's of promissing pairs to watch for in the future too. | |
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bibi Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:12 pm | |
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roma Dedicated Mao Fan
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bibi Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1675 Join date : 2007-09-18 Age : 32 Location : Quebec city!
| Subject: Re: Canadian Nationals Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:49 am | |
| another article about Joannie (in french!) http://vivezvancouver.radio-canada.ca/vivezvancouver/Patinage_artistique/2010/01/18/001-semaine-rochette.shtml - Quote :
- « Kim est battable, mais quand elle est à son mieux, c'est
difficile. Elle est dans une classe à part. Ce n'est pas la plus gracieuse, mais sa vitesse et sa technique sont excellentes. C'est spectaculaire de la voir rentrer dans un saut avec la vitesse qu'elle prend. » « Mao est plus gracieuse. J'admire énormément Yu-Na et Mao. Je suis assez réaliste et je suis capable de voir mes concurrentes et de leur donner ce qui leur appartient. » I'll try to translate it for you guys: '' Kim is beatable, but when she is at her best, is difficult. She is in a class by herself. She is not the most graceful, but she has excellent speed and technique. It's spectacular to see her jump with the speed she takes. " "Mao is more graceful. I admire greatly Yu-Na and Mao. I'm pretty realistic and I can see my competitors and give them what they deserve. " | |
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