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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 7:28 am

PochinkoPotanko wrote:
I hoped the scores would've been closer but...most guys lost GOEs for at least one element except for Yuzuru, so I have nothing against the scores.

But since we can never tell what may happen to Yuzuru in his FP, even with 9 point difference, I think Dai still has a chance to win. But the other guys have to do brilliantly good to win or even make the podium.

Btw, Yuzurus' blades have a unique design...I noticed someone else using the same designed blades during GPF but can't remember who...??? Noticed Javier had his blades painted black or gun-metal, and thought that was cool too. Smile

Anyway, can't wait till tomorrow!

Narumi had these blades as well for a time... See The Ice 2011.

Congrats to all the men! I haven't watched any of them yet, but I'm kinda sad at the huge point spread... I would have loved it if it had been anyone's game going into the free. Oh well, good job Yuzuru! He's been skating consistently fantastic SP all season! I hope he can hang on for the FS.
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 9:20 am

linglang wrote:
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Men's SP Results in English:

http://www.jsfresults.com/National/2012-2013/fs_e/national/data0103.htm

It's said Yuzuru's 4T and 3A got +2.2 GOE and all level 4 except for last spin. Dai's 4T was UR and got -1.2 GOE, all level 3 except for last spin which was level 4.


Bawling Dai really threw away many points. And he skates first tomorrow with Yuzuru last. I was hoping Dai will skate last and at least. Big pressure on Yuzuru though
I know there are different panels but it's strange to see Daisuke with level 3 steps and Ashley Wagner level 4(if I am not mistaken Dai got level 3 on steps in the GPF too). Sometimes it's like the judges have no idea what are they doing

I've checked after reading ddmm's above question and I was correct about Ms. Yukiko Okabe. She is a judge and gave explanation about skaters' programs and scores before GPF, which included why Dai got level 3 on steps in China.

She said it's because Dai's step sequence in SP does not satisfy this level requirement: "Use of upper body movements means the visible use for a combined total of at least 1/3 (instead of 1/2) of the pattern of the step sequence any movements of the arms, head and torso that have an effect on the balance of the main body core."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eERSpgqOl8w#t=26m30s

Sorry I don't have time to translate what she says. She points out where "effect on the balance of the main body core" is there or not, and it's not non but less than 1/3.

I don't know if her reasoning is valid or not but she's a judge. To be honest, I still don't have a good eye to tell and I though tonight Yuzu's edges and skating got much better. But re-watching his skate after re-watching Taka, I don't get why Yuzu is highly evaluated ... scratch Taka's edges and skating quality are far far far better than Yuzus. Disappointed

Thank you linglang for checking about Ms. Okabe. And I was going to talk about her comment about Dai's Step seq. If what she says is correct and part of the rules about levels, that means Dai would have to partly change his steps in order to get level 4. Personally, I think Taka's steps are Encore . It makes me sad to watch him skate well but receive low PCS.

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Poor Nobu ....



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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 9:37 am

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Here's the video of practices earlier today (including Mao's and the men's):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJejGX_SkM&feature=youtube_gdata

A 3rd 3A landed by Mao.


This is a very good 3A indeed. flower
I think this was UR... scratch
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Fuji TV said that today Mao landed 1 3A out of 3.
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 9:47 am

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PochinkoPotanko wrote:
I hoped the scores would've been closer but...most guys lost GOEs for at least one element except for Yuzuru, so I have nothing against the scores.

But since we can never tell what may happen to Yuzuru in his FP, even with 9 point difference, I think Dai still has a chance to win. But the other guys have to do brilliantly good to win or even make the podium.

Btw, Yuzurus' blades have a unique design...I noticed someone else using the same designed blades during GPF but can't remember who...??? Noticed Javier had his blades painted black or gun-metal, and thought that was cool too. Smile

Anyway, can't wait till tomorrow!

Narumi had these blades as well for a time... See The Ice 2011.

Congrats to all the men! I haven't watched any of them yet, but I'm kinda sad at the huge point spread... I would have loved it if it had been anyone's game going into the free. Oh well, good job Yuzuru! He's been skating consistently fantastic SP all season! I hope he can hang on for the FS.

Haruka used the same brand of skates...so don't worry it's natural LOL
someone once asked on 2ch that if the blade curved or broke Smile

about what ddmm said about making level of steps...remembered how Kurt talked about taka for SP of SA...he was just amazed by taka's step but ...taka's step in SA was level 2...no wonder Kurt won't do competition program Orz

ETA:not sure anyone talks about it or not...
http://www.jsfresults.com/National/2012-2013/fs_e/national/data0230.htm

our great "Noriko SHIROTA" will be ladies' SP judge
the other mystery is the protocol is not uploaded with pdf only posted on the wall.
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 10:04 am

when does ladies sp beginn, and why is Mao sheduled to skate soo early?
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 10:45 am

Does anyone know if Mao did a 3a during her SP run through?
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 10:51 am

The competition hasn't started, right?
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 10:56 am

Mao2012 wrote:
The competition hasn't started, right?

No, I think it is the middle of the night in Japan now Smile If I am not mistaken, ladies short is in about 10 and a half hours from now.
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 10:59 am

Taka will forever be underscored when it comes to PCs. I don't get it. If it were up to Kurt Browning he would have him past Patrick Chan too, Yuzu got a 9.5 from one judge for skating skills. I love this kid to death but honestly.... Razz 9.5 is a bit much yes? Taka's PCs should be higher than Yuzu's in my opinion, but I think the rest of the components go to Yuzu.
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 1:02 pm

another practice clips with the 3A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7ubJUzIYMU

look at the distance and height of this axel amazing! she is flying
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Poor Nobu ....


Poor Winnie the Pooh.... geek

Yuzu!!!!!! Cloud 9 I love how consistent he is with this SP and Shocked at the TES
I love Dai's performance-he could melt the ice with his charisma Encore Too bad about the quad and 3lz

Taka's SP really suits his style and edges and helped me warm up to him.

Thumbs up! to Mura but I can't find video

Who's Tono?

Sad Sad to Machida and the guy whose skate broke
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 2:07 pm

l-spiralmao wrote:
silenceisgolden wrote:
Break time Sweatdrop

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Poor Nobu ....


Poor Winnie the Pooh.... geek

Yuzu!!!!!! Cloud 9 I love how consistent he is with this SP and Shocked at the TES
I love Dai's performance-he could melt the ice with his charisma Encore Too bad about the quad and 3lz

Taka's SP really suits his style and edges and helped me warm up to him.

Thumbs up! to Mura but I can't find video

Who's Tono?

Sad Sad to Machida and the guy whose skate broke

https://www.youtube.com/user/icechannel2011?feature=g-high-u
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 2:19 pm

l-spiralmao wrote:
silenceisgolden wrote:
Break time Sweatdrop

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Poor Nobu ....


Poor Winnie the Pooh.... geek

Yuzu!!!!!! Cloud 9 I love how consistent he is with this SP and Shocked at the TES
I love Dai's performance-he could melt the ice with his charisma Encore Too bad about the quad and 3lz

Taka's SP really suits his style and edges and helped me warm up to him.

Thumbs up! to Mura but I can't find video

Who's Tono?

Sad Sad to Machida and the guy whose skate broke
It's Nobunari Razz
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polosatik wrote:
l-spiralmao wrote:
silenceisgolden wrote:
Break time Sweatdrop

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Poor Nobu ....


Poor Winnie the Pooh.... geek

Yuzu!!!!!! Cloud 9 I love how consistent he is with this SP and Shocked at the TES
I love Dai's performance-he could melt the ice with his charisma Encore Too bad about the quad and 3lz

Taka's SP really suits his style and edges and helped me warm up to him.

Thumbs up! to Mura but I can't find video

Who's Tono?

Sad Sad to Machida and the guy whose skate broke
It's Nobunari Razz

Razz Oh.... *facepalm* Thanks Aysa! Thank you!

Why is his nickname Tono? Whirly (probably a really stupid question, but I'm new)
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 3:11 pm

Mao2012 wrote:
AmazingGraceMao wrote:
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Here's the video of practices earlier today (including Mao's and the men's):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJejGX_SkM&feature=youtube_gdata

A 3rd 3A landed by Mao.


This is a very good 3A indeed. flower
I think this was UR... scratch

Looking at the entrance direction and the landing, it is definitely fully rotated in my opinion. You can't land a 3A so well if it is URed. This is one of the best 3A attempts from her. The speed, air position, landing, height, and ice coverage, are all wonderful.
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 3:15 pm

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Looking at the entrance direction and the landing, it is definitely fully rotated in my opinion. You can't land a 3A so well if it is URed. This is one of the best 3A attempts from her. The speed, air position, landing, height, and ice coverage, are all wonderful.

it really was an amazing 3A, hope we will get more practice clips like these! by the way will there be any coverage of Japanese nationals outside of japan? there should be like last year!
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PostSubject: Re: Japan Nationals   Japan Nationals - Page 7 Icon_minitimeFri Dec 21, 2012 3:35 pm

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Why is his nickname Tono? Whirly (probably a really stupid question, but I'm new)

"Tono" means "lord" in Japanese. Nobunari is the 18th descendant of Nobunaga Oda, a famous Japanese warlord and the initiator of the unification of Japan under the shogunate in the late 16th century. Laugh
(The media used to state that Nobu was the 17th descendant, but actually that title belongs to Nobu's older brother Nobuharu, as corrected bu Nobunari in the more recent TV appearances Smile).

Mao's 3A looks great, IMHO, except for the one where she put hands on the ice (which was a bit UR, plus Mao caught her toepick on the ice). Although the angles in the clips aren't perfect, it seems to me that Mao'sspeed and ice coverage improved a lot. Thumbs up!

I couldn't even watch the Men's SP today because I'm busy cleaning my house before Christmas (and, frankly speaking, recently I get too nervous to watch events live Sweatdrop )! I'll comment on the event after I'm dne watching the videos. Yep!
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OMG so many new pages to backtrack Very Happy
Congrats to Yuzuru, he is just too cute and I am happy when he skates without stamina issues.
Sometimes I just want to pinch his cheeks Boogie

inskate wrote:
l-spiralmao wrote:

Why is his nickname Tono? Whirly (probably a really stupid question, but I'm new)

"Tono" means "lord" in Japanese. Nobunari is the 18th descendant of Nobunaga Oda, a famous Japanese warlord and the initiator of the unification of Japan under the shogunate in the late 16th century. Laugh
(The media used to state that Nobu was the 17th descendant, but actually that title belongs to Nobu's older brother Nobuharu, as corrected bu Nobunari in the more recent TV appearances Smile).


Oh I knew his nick was Tono but I didn't know why. Oh our Nobu is a descendant of a lord affraid
BTW his kid must b so cute now. I hope he can control his nerves and skate a good FS. santa

Like a Star @ heaven ETA: News clip with practice footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycuM3vy3QtI

How do you guise think her 3t after 2a was? I don't want UR marks Crying or Very sad
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http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20121222-00000017-dal-spo
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20121222-00000031-sanspo-spo

2 new articles on Maos' official practice.

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The first one says Mao succeeded 3A again on the 21st, and Sato admitted 'It's getting pretty good'. However he also said 'Even though it looks good to us, the angle is set by the rules. It will be checked by video, so unless we're sure it's successful... (I'm not sure Mao should go for it)'. Even though Mao has said she 'wishes to include 3As sometime during the latter half of this season', she must first convince Sato who still says 'We should still consider entering Sochi Olys without a 3A'.

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The second article mentions the 3A matter in a different way. It starts by noting that although Mao plans not to include a 3A in Nats, she looked confident and consistent during official practice on the 2st and succeeded a 3A. Mao seems cautious about not letting her lower back pains coming back, but showed no signs of fear during practice. She said 'I'm not planning on including 3A, but that may change'. This article says that Sato seems quite satisfied with her 3As, and his plans of discluding it in Nats may start to change. The only thing which seems to worry him is that 'Even though they looks good to us, if we see it on video they might be URd'. Mao has said 'I want to challenge 3A at least once during this season', and has been practicing it all along. She is now waiting for Sato to give her the go sign. OTOH, Sato says 'Unless she can land it with a good flow, you can't call it a success', as if it were the condition to let Mao challenge 3A again. He says he is still keeping in mind the possibility to have Mao enter Sochi Olys without a 3A, considering the ways it will be scored.

I personally still think Mao should try a 3A at Nats...JSF is going to give her a ticket to Worlds and even 4CC if she wants that too for sure, even if she doesn't win this time. She's got nothing to lose. Even if she's succeeding her 3As in practice, she has to start getting used to challenging them again in competitions at some point. If this was Nagakubo, I'm almost definitely sure he'd allow her to go for it. Even should she UR, if not DG, I think Mao can still cover that mistake with her other jumps and elements. I can't help but think that Sato is being a bit too cautious. And his idea of maybe letting Mao go to Olys without a 3A...doesn't impress me much either. Mao may be able to win Olys without a 3A, but if she excludes it and ends up not winning, I think she'll regret not even challenging it, and Sato is going to end up being bashed for not allowing her to do so. Mao has always been a challenger, and we loved that spirit in her. In a sense, I think alot of us in Jpn wants to see her challenge 3A again in Olys even if she ends up screwing it up and loses (though she doesn't need to do it 3 times...once in both SP and FP, or just once in FP is enough I think...). Anyway, if not at Worlds this season, I hope Sato would allow her to give it a try at Nats or at least 4CC. Even if it's not perfect yet, if Mao wants to include it in Olys, she has to start jumping it again soon. Takahiko's been jumping quads since lots of seasons ago, but he's still not totally consistent. I don't want Mao's 3As to end up like that. No

ETA:I know someone already introduced this practice clip, but this is one's in better quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycuM3vy3QtI
It says Mao jumped 3A three times and succeeded once...although the narration says Sato seemed satisfied with it, one out of three...no wonder team Mao plans to stick to no 3As this time.

But then there was another program in which Sanoru Mino (first Jpnse male skater to win a medal in Worlds/coach and commentator) said he thinks Mao should try a 3A at Nats since her practices are going well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4AzFyRfsbg

And I'm guessing someone already introduced this clip already, but just in case...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YthLgrThRZI
Mao said that her 3As are in good condition so that will count for something in the future. She did not mention whether she'll try it at Nats. But she said she no longer has lower back pains and that she is physically in very good condition. Smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4AzFyRfsbg


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I agree Pochinko i also think nobou is too cautious, I hope he will let Mao attempt it. I also don't like his idea of letting Mao in the Olympics without her attempting the 3A that's just not Mao, his way of thinking is really different, kind of amazing that the work between him and Mao is working, considering how different their mindset is!

now is, where I wish that nagakube was Mao's coach his way of thinking and approach is much closer to Mao herself!
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http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20121222-00000017-dal-spo
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20121222-00000031-sanspo-spo

2 new articles on Maos' official practice.

Quote :
The first one says Mao succeeded 3A again on the 21st, and Sato admitted 'It's getting pretty good'. However he also said 'Even though it looks good to us, the angle is set by the rules. It will be checked by video, so unless we're sure it's successful... (I'm not sure Mao should go for it)'. Even though Mao has said she 'wishes to include 3As sometime during the latter half of this season', she must first convince Sato who still says 'We should still consider entering Sochi Olys without a 3A'.


Part of me agrees with Sato, but Part of me wants Mao to go for 3A. Depressed Crying
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I agree Pochinko i also think nobou is too cautious, I hope he will let Mao attempt it. I also don't like his idea of letting Mao in the Olympics without her attempting the 3A that's just not Mao, his way of thinking is really different, kind of amazing that the work between him and Mao is working, considering how different their mindset is!

now is, where I wish that nagakube was Mao's coach his way of thinking and approach is much closer to Mao herself!

Exactly! That's why lots of fans here wanted Nagakubo to be her coach rather than Sato at first...But well, Mao did come this far in reforming her jumps with Sato, so it's hard to make out which of the coaches would've been better for her. Question

But I try to think of it this way...if Sato and Mao decide not to include 3A at Sochi Olys and end up not winning gold, Mao can switch coaches to Nagakubo then and aim for the next Olys afterwards. I'm pretty sure Akiko will retire after Sochi, and Nagakubo can concentrate on Mao. Mao will be slightly older than Akiko by the time we have Olys after Sochi, but from all we've seen from Akiko so far, I don't think it's impossible for Mao to challenge a 3rd Olys. To me Akiko is living proof that a female skater can still compete top class in her late 20s. And if Akiko can do it, I'm positive that Mao can as long as she wants to. Wink
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