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aoi88 Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1294 Join date : 2009-12-28
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:31 am | |
| - clovera wrote:
- aoi88 wrote:
- --- I'm afraid Sato needs to rethink about her SP layout. I don't think the 3A in the SP is helping her at all, at least not with Amano
around. I think a 3-3 combo is a better choice, because a UR combo is still worth more than a downgraded 3A. Also, I think it will help her in the performance aspect because the 3A takes too much of her effort in the short. I'm genuinely confused by this idea to be honest, and I've been seeing this suggestion a lot lately elsewhere as well. It's not about the score differential between a 3-3 and a 3A that needs to be addressed since the two fulfill different jump requirements in the SP. At least in the SP, a 3A will *always* have a higher payout than a 3-3, because a 3A will be in place of a 2A (if rotated, a 5.2 point boost; if UR'ed, 2.7). The point difference between a 3-3 vs. a 3-2 on the other hand, are:
3+3T vs. 3+2T (2.7 BV advantage if fully rotated, 1.5 if the 3T is UR'ed) 3+3Lo vs 3+2Lo (3.3 BV advantage if fully rotated, 1.8 if the 3Lo is UR'ed)
Since Amano is being mentioned, I will like to point out that he's just as likely of UR'ing or DG'ed a +3 regardless of whether it's a +3T or a +3Lo (see: Kanako's 3T-3T or Mao's 2A-3T). If Mao can work her 3+3s back to the ease and consistency she had on them during 05~early 08 then I can support this notion, but until then, the current SP jump layout is fine the way it is. The same goes for the FS. Well, from my point of view anyway. I see your point but I also think doing the 3A in the short does take a lot of toll from Mao. And most importantly, it can affect the rest of her performance if that jump doesn't go well. It does have a higher payoff if the 3A is the only jump she has issues on, but if her 3A is unsuccessful, she also risks her issues on her later combos. And this could be costly with a strict caller, as we've seen here. But if Mao attempts a 3-3. Even if she gets one jump downgraded, her next passes are a single triple jump and a double axel, which are less likely to be called. So in the worst case scenario, she still has two triples, whereas in present worst case scenario she is only left with one fully rotated triple. | |
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FatiniAdlina
Posts : 45 Join date : 2010-08-05 Age : 28 Location : malaysia
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:33 am | |
| I hope my internet won't be this laggy by the time virtue/moir and davis/white skate.... | |
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Rachel
Posts : 15 Join date : 2010-04-05 Age : 30 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:34 am | |
| - aoi88 wrote:
- kaarolcia wrote:
- Mao's LP, British Eurosport commentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5icvVbMEo10&p=1777E85DD1CFA17F Thanks! As always, British guys are so nice. I've heard people from abroad saying this quite a bit; I've obviously been living in the wrong Britian... I really can't see the logic behind Kanako's UR on her 3-3 (I can't remember the 3Lo, any insight?), or Mao's Downgrades... Really need to have a word with whoever decided Shin Amano was a good choice to be a technical specialist... I really don't mind whether Mao gets a new LP next season or not, I'm sure it'll be amazing either way; I just really hope she doesn't go to TAT for choreography for it or her SP (Love her, + great for an exhibition program, but please Mao, not for competitive ones...) | |
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ballerinamao Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 2262 Join date : 2010-08-10 Location : denmark
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:35 am | |
| welcome to the forum rose | |
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MaoChan756 Triple Flip
Posts : 480 Join date : 2011-01-19 Age : 33 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:40 am | |
| Does a technical specialist has some kind of course or qualification? I mean - will an ex-skater who wasn't very talented to begin with - be able to identify such nuanced mistakes! I mean who is Amano? How come such a skater who really never left any impact in any competition gets to hold such an important job? I really want to know what kind of training they go through...? This guy obviously does not know his job! He despises Japanese skaters with all his might for god knows what reason?!
And the judges? An acute case of 'Yuna-ism'!! Frankly - they don't even question the << They are just waiting for the << signal to give Mao a big 0!
You hear skaters like Tara - Irina - Shizuka commentating on other skaters... What they spot - at times judges don't see it - and what judges spot - often commentators don't agree - Is it that the technical panel is dubious? Are the commentators all wrong about their experience? Are we simply blinded by our idol that we can't see the truth? The answer is just too OBVIOUS!
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maowataiyo Triple Loop
Posts : 703 Join date : 2009-03-27
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:42 am | |
| Hi, Rose! Glad you can join us! | |
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Spacey Triple Flip
Posts : 326 Join date : 2009-01-12
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:44 am | |
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Yunamao Triple Flip
Posts : 227 Join date : 2009-06-18
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:48 am | |
| Sorry to put it here but it breaks my heart, Mao really looks sick and exhausted on this picture... Really hope her team will take care of her. Oh and welcome Rachel and Rose
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MaoChan756 Triple Flip
Posts : 480 Join date : 2011-01-19 Age : 33 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:48 am | |
| Oh Spacey! How I hope - Mao gets back to Japan and does what she is doing in your avatar! I seriously got pale when I heard Mao going that weak! She is such a fan of good food! | |
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Mao_Asada_sunrise Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1029 Join date : 2010-09-30
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:50 am | |
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Rose
Posts : 41 Join date : 2011-04-30
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:53 am | |
| Hi ballerinamao, maowataiyo, and Spacey. Thank you for warm welcome!
My english not that good, but I try to in forum because I love Mao and want to talk with everybody. She is the best. | |
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zarinaballerina Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 3545 Join date : 2011-04-29
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:01 am | |
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FatiniAdlina
Posts : 45 Join date : 2010-08-05 Age : 28 Location : malaysia
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:04 am | |
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bellarina Triple Loop
Posts : 637 Join date : 2008-05-05 Age : 34
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:06 am | |
| - Lady_in_black wrote:
- The quite mediocre skater Shin Amano, if he could, he probably would have given to Mao's 3A, 3A<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<.
- Rachel wrote:
- aoi88 wrote:
- kaarolcia wrote:
- Mao's LP, British Eurosport commentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5icvVbMEo10&p=1777E85DD1CFA17F Thanks! As always, British guys are so nice. I've heard people from abroad saying this quite a bit; I've obviously been living in the wrong Britian... Those comments made my day. Anyway, I stopped caring about the jumps, scores, and medals as soon as I heard about the emotional toll Mao has been going through lately. All I wanted was for her to try to enjoy herself out there, without worrying about anything else. She was able to fight through it (what a fighter), so I'm really proud of her. Lesser people would have given up. Now all I want is for her to eat lots and get a lot of rest. Though I feel horrible for Kanako. I hope she wasn't extremely discouraged at her first Worlds ever What is up with Amano!? I'm glad to hear that people have been complaining, and I hope more people do so. It sucks that there's no accountability, even with the judges' scores - nothing will happen to that judge who gave Yu-Na a +1 on her lutz for instance. Oh and welcome Rose and to all our new members!!
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chiyori Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1035 Join date : 2008-11-18 Age : 39 Location : Montreal, Canada
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:06 am | |
| - FatiniAdlina wrote:
- last group!!...^_^
I'm so disappointed Tessa is not wearing that pink and orange dress from 4CC... it was just so over the top, it looked fantastic. This golden one is nice too, but I don't... I feel like it's too short and this takes away from the hot latino mood. Love this last group... gonna be very exciting! | |
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Spacey Triple Flip
Posts : 326 Join date : 2009-01-12
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:21 am | |
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Rachel
Posts : 15 Join date : 2010-04-05 Age : 30 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:22 am | |
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clovera Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1773 Join date : 2008-07-05 Location : Tokyo Francisco
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:27 am | |
| - aoi88 wrote:
- I see your point but I also think doing the 3A in the short does take a lot of toll from Mao. And most importantly, it can affect the rest of her performance if that jump doesn't go well. It does have a higher payoff if the 3A is the only jump she has issues on, but if her 3A is unsuccessful, she also risks her issues on her later combos. And this could be costly with a strict caller, as we've seen here. But if Mao attempts a 3-3. Even if she gets one jump downgraded, her next passes are a single triple jump and a double axel, which are less likely to be called. So in the worst case scenario, she still has two triples, whereas in present worst case scenario she is only left with one fully rotated triple.
A 3-3 in the SP can have just as much of a toll, however. Too many people are forgetting how Mao struggled with consistency on Fantasia and Clair de Lune when missing the 3-3 combination will have a negative effect on the remainder of the program. Just singling out the 3A as being the problem is not really fair. I'm not going to comment on the worst case scenario that you presented as it's completely speculative. Oh well, I guess this is something we have to agree to disagree on. | |
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apple4me
Posts : 81 Join date : 2011-02-19
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:29 am | |
| GO Miki. I really hope Mao can have a good rest after this season. She deserved it. I never know that the tsunami really affected Mao that much. Mao need to eat more again. Hope Team Sato can really help Mao out. Mao should go out of the country. Mao need to gain back some weight and be the old Mao again. | |
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chiyori Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1035 Join date : 2008-11-18 Age : 39 Location : Montreal, Canada
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:31 am | |
| OMG!! The Shibs will be on the podium!! | |
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zarinaballerina Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 3545 Join date : 2011-04-29
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:34 am | |
| Go Shibutani's. First worlds and already a medal. Fantastic! | |
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aoi88 Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1294 Join date : 2009-12-28
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:35 am | |
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chiyori Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1035 Join date : 2008-11-18 Age : 39 Location : Montreal, Canada
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:39 am | |
| So cute Scott... just after seeing their scores, he noticed Alex and Maia were in second | |
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bibi Dedicated Mao Fan
Posts : 1675 Join date : 2007-09-18 Age : 32 Location : Quebec city!
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:44 am | |
| - chiyori wrote:
- So cute Scott... just after seeing their scores, he noticed Alex and Maia were in second
I thought it was cute too | |
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FatiniAdlina
Posts : 45 Join date : 2010-08-05 Age : 28 Location : malaysia
| Subject: Re: World Championships 2011 - Reports, spoilers Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:47 am | |
| - chiyori wrote:
- FatiniAdlina wrote:
- last group!!...^_^
I'm so disappointed Tessa is not wearing that pink and orange dress from 4CC... it was just so over the top, it looked fantastic. This golden one is nice too, but I don't... I feel like it's too short and this takes away from the hot latino mood.
Love this last group... gonna be very exciting! I was hoping for the pink dress too....They did great...Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch it as whole because the stream kept freezing....Holding my breath for the scores... 1 Meryl DAVIS / Charlie WHITE USA 185.27 2 Tessa VIRTUE / Scott MOIR CAN 181.79 3 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 163.79 Was really hoping Virtue/Moir...T.T....Well, Davis/White were great too so I'm not surprised | |
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