Nagoya Figure Skating Festival 2012

ballerinamao wrote:

bibi wrote:

zarinaballerina wrote:

qingshui wrote:

I thinks Mao to get her triple-triple back is more important than her triple axle in the competition. Nowadays, not many top female skaters have consistent triple-triple in the SP.
So if Mao has a clean short program with a triple-triple, she can have a huge lead before entering the long program.

Agree, and this is why I'd prefer if she'd go for 3F-3T instead of 3F-3Lo, because judges tend to downgrade combinations with 3Lo in them.

yes, and if she tries the 3f-3l, she can't do a solo 3l or 3f out of steps, so she has to do either 3lz, 3s or 3t which are not her best jumps. I would rather see her do a 3f-3t and a solo 3l

well that's ofccourse if she decides to put it in the fs, but her 3t is also pretty consistant Mao once said that, that jump is always easily done, she said that after the olympics when her foot got stuck in the ice and therefor didn't do the 3T through it was/is a very easy jump for her!

but I think there might be a bigger chance that mao does the 3f-3lo in the sp since she already is doing a 3f-2l, so upgrading it to a 3f-3lo would mean that she does't need to change the rest of her jump content!

Actually, I was talking about the jump content in the SP. Because if she upgrade it to a 3f-3l she can't do a solo 3l out of steps. What she could do is 3l-3l and 3f. I don't know if that combination is secure enough for her?! Well, I would rather see her do the 3f-3l in the freeskate because it would not cause her to change any of the jumping passes and it doesn't penalize her so much if it is downgraded because she can gain points in so many other elements.

but doing it in the sp could gain her a huge lead from the others. epesially since it's seems to be a very reliable combination. but the same could be said in the Fs but the question then is doing a 3-3 and a 3A in the free which I assume Mao will, would be staminia wise really hard, since just doing the 3a in the beginning already takes alot of strengh. but well this would't be the first time Mao would do both the 3-3 and the 3A in the fs... actually in 2008 Mao had two 3-3 and a 3A the the free, so kowing Mao it's posibble...

zarinaballerina wrote:

qingshui wrote:

I thinks Mao to get her triple-triple back is more important than her triple axle in the competition. Nowadays, not many top female skaters have consistent triple-triple in the SP.
So if Mao has a clean short program with a triple-triple, she can have a huge lead before entering the long program.

Agree, and this is why I'd prefer if she'd go for 3F-3T instead of 3F-3Lo, because judges tend to downgrade combinations with 3Lo in them.

Actually, she could still do the 3Lo out of steps because it's not in combo. She could keep the same layout if she does a 3F-3Lo.

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Alokya wrote:

zarinaballerina wrote:

qingshui wrote:

I thinks Mao to get her triple-triple back is more important than her triple axle in the competition. Nowadays, not many top female skaters have consistent triple-triple in the SP.
So if Mao has a clean short program with a triple-triple, she can have a huge lead before entering the long program.

Agree, and this is why I'd prefer if she'd go for 3F-3T instead of 3F-3Lo, because judges tend to downgrade combinations with 3Lo in them.

Actually, she could still do the 3Lo out of steps because it's not in combo. She could keep the same layout if she does a 3F-3Lo.

I don't know about that... From what I understand, you can't repeat a jump in the SP. If that's true, than she would have to change her solo triple out of steps in order to do a 3F-3L. Than she'd have to do a 3Lz, 3S or 3T, as bibi said.

chiyori wrote:

Alokya wrote:

zarinaballerina wrote:

qingshui wrote:

I thinks Mao to get her triple-triple back is more important than her triple axle in the competition. Nowadays, not many top female skaters have consistent triple-triple in the SP.
So if Mao has a clean short program with a triple-triple, she can have a huge lead before entering the long program.

Agree, and this is why I'd prefer if she'd go for 3F-3T instead of 3F-3Lo, because judges tend to downgrade combinations with 3Lo in them.

Actually, she could still do the 3Lo out of steps because it's not in combo. She could keep the same layout if she does a 3F-3Lo.

I don't know about that... From what I understand, you can't repeat a jump in the SP. If that's true, than she would have to change her solo triple out of steps in order to do a 3F-3L. Than she'd have to do a 3Lz, 3S or 3T, as bibi said.

chiyori, you are correct. In the sp, you are NOT allowed to repeat the jump, unless you do a combo from the same jump (3T-3T), so Mao would have to put in a different solo triple.

zarinaballerina wrote:

chiyori wrote:

Alokya wrote:

zarinaballerina wrote:

qingshui wrote:

I thinks Mao to get her triple-triple back is more important than her triple axle in the competition. Nowadays, not many top female skaters have consistent triple-triple in the SP.
So if Mao has a clean short program with a triple-triple, she can have a huge lead before entering the long program.

Agree, and this is why I'd prefer if she'd go for 3F-3T instead of 3F-3Lo, because judges tend to downgrade combinations with 3Lo in them.

Actually, she could still do the 3Lo out of steps because it's not in combo. She could keep the same layout if she does a 3F-3Lo.

I don't know about that... From what I understand, you can't repeat a jump in the SP. If that's true, than she would have to change her solo triple out of steps in order to do a 3F-3L. Than she'd have to do a 3Lz, 3S or 3T, as bibi said.

chiyori, you are correct. In the sp, you are NOT allowed to repeat the jump, unless you do a combo from the same jump (3T-3T), so Mao would have to put in a different solo triple.

I actually think you can mainly because Patrick Chan, if I remember correctly, did a quad-toe-triple toe and then a solo quad toe at Worlds last year in his short.

Alokya wrote:

zarinaballerina wrote:

chiyori wrote:

Alokya wrote:

zarinaballerina wrote:

qingshui wrote:

I thinks Mao to get her triple-triple back is more important than her triple axle in the competition. Nowadays, not many top female skaters have consistent triple-triple in the SP.
So if Mao has a clean short program with a triple-triple, she can have a huge lead before entering the long program.

Agree, and this is why I'd prefer if she'd go for 3F-3T instead of 3F-3Lo, because judges tend to downgrade combinations with 3Lo in them.

Actually, she could still do the 3Lo out of steps because it's not in combo. She could keep the same layout if she does a 3F-3Lo.

I don't know about that... From what I understand, you can't repeat a jump in the SP. If that's true, than she would have to change her solo triple out of steps in order to do a 3F-3L. Than she'd have to do a 3Lz, 3S or 3T, as bibi said.

chiyori, you are correct. In the sp, you are NOT allowed to repeat the jump, unless you do a combo from the same jump (3T-3T), so Mao would have to put in a different solo triple.

I actually think you can mainly because Patrick Chan, if I remember correctly, did a quad-toe-triple toe and then a solo quad toe at Worlds last year in his short.

Yes, if you do a quad you can repeat it again, as long as 1 guad is in a combination, however you are not allowed to repeat a triple jump unless you have a combo of the same triples (3T-3T, or 3Lo-3Lo). There are different rules for quads and triples.

zarinaballerina wrote:

Alokya wrote:

zarinaballerina wrote:

chiyori wrote:

Alokya wrote:

zarinaballerina wrote:

qingshui wrote:

I thinks Mao to get her triple-triple back is more important than her triple axle in the competition. Nowadays, not many top female skaters have consistent triple-triple in the SP.
So if Mao has a clean short program with a triple-triple, she can have a huge lead before entering the long program.

Agree, and this is why I'd prefer if she'd go for 3F-3T instead of 3F-3Lo, because judges tend to downgrade combinations with 3Lo in them.

Actually, she could still do the 3Lo out of steps because it's not in combo. She could keep the same layout if she does a 3F-3Lo.

I don't know about that... From what I understand, you can't repeat a jump in the SP. If that's true, than she would have to change her solo triple out of steps in order to do a 3F-3L. Than she'd have to do a 3Lz, 3S or 3T, as bibi said.

chiyori, you are correct. In the sp, you are NOT allowed to repeat the jump, unless you do a combo from the same jump (3T-3T), so Mao would have to put in a different solo triple.

I actually think you can mainly because Patrick Chan, if I remember correctly, did a quad-toe-triple toe and then a solo quad toe at Worlds last year in his short.

Yes, if you do a quad you can repeat it again, as long as 1 guad is in a combination, however you are not allowed to repeat a triple jump unless you have a combo of the same triples (3T-3T, or 3Lo-3Lo). There are different rules for quads and triples.

That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification! Do you think Mao is solid enough on her triple lutz to do one in her short? However, didn't Sato say that they were keeping the same layout? Hm.

zarinaballerina wrote:

That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification! Do you think Mao is solid enough on her triple lutz to do one in her short? However, didn't Sato say that they were keeping the same layout? Hm.

i think mao's lutz is still a little bit on the edge, figuratively and literally speaking. the judges keep calling an edge error on her lutz. she should choose another jump. maybe a 3A perhaps??

Alokya wrote:

That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification! Do you think Mao is solid enough on her triple lutz to do one in her short? However, didn't Sato say that they were keeping the same layout? Hm.

No problem. there are so many different rules that one gets easily confused. I feel sorry for the skaters, they just get used to one rule, and the next season they have to change things again. It would be nice, if ISU would keep the same rules, at least for the olympic cycle, and then change things.

I don't think it's a smart strategy to put a triple lutz in her short, because of the edge call she's been getting . She'd lose points this way. I think we'll see a 3-3 next season. As I said before, IMO, it would be best for her, if she'd do 3F-3T in the short, this way she gets to keep a solo 3Lo, and maybe go for 3F-3Lo in the long.

zarinaballerina wrote:

Alokya wrote:

That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification! Do you think Mao is solid enough on her triple lutz to do one in her short? However, didn't Sato say that they were keeping the same layout? Hm.

No problem. there are so many different rules that one gets easily confused. I feel sorry for the skaters, they just get used to one rule, and the next season they have to change things again. It would be nice, if ISU would keep the same rules, at least for the olympic cycle, and then change things.

I don't think it's a smart strategy to put a triple lutz in her short, because of the edge call she's been getting . She'd lose points this way. I think we'll see a 3-3 next season. As I said before, IMO, it would be best for her, if she'd do 3F-3T in the short, this way she gets to keep a solo 3Lo, and maybe go for 3F-3Lo in the long.

but the 3f-3lo is worth more than a 3f-3t and Mao also prefers the 3f-3lo so i totally understand why mao prefers to put a 3f-3lo.. I am just soo happy to see keep challenges herself and is upgrading her arsenal further... it really amazing how may changes she has done the last 2 season, just thinking about how she changed her technique, added all kinds of jumps, and a 2A-3T and now 3f-3lo... I mean this girl never rests really and never takes the easy rode, her determination is really unbelievable... can't wait to see her do the 3A and 3f-3lo in the same program!

zarinaballerina wrote:

Alokya wrote:

zarinaballerina wrote:

chiyori wrote:

Alokya wrote:

zarinaballerina wrote:

qingshui wrote:

I thinks Mao to get her triple-triple back is more important than her triple axle in the competition. Nowadays, not many top female skaters have consistent triple-triple in the SP.
So if Mao has a clean short program with a triple-triple, she can have a huge lead before entering the long program.

Agree, and this is why I'd prefer if she'd go for 3F-3T instead of 3F-3Lo, because judges tend to downgrade combinations with 3Lo in them.

Actually, she could still do the 3Lo out of steps because it's not in combo. She could keep the same layout if she does a 3F-3Lo.

I don't know about that... From what I understand, you can't repeat a jump in the SP. If that's true, than she would have to change her solo triple out of steps in order to do a 3F-3L. Than she'd have to do a 3Lz, 3S or 3T, as bibi said.

chiyori, you are correct. In the sp, you are NOT allowed to repeat the jump, unless you do a combo from the same jump (3T-3T), so Mao would have to put in a different solo triple.

I actually think you can mainly because Patrick Chan, if I remember correctly, did a quad-toe-triple toe and then a solo quad toe at Worlds last year in his short.

Yes, if you do a quad you can repeat it again, as long as 1 guad is in a combination, however you are not allowed to repeat a triple jump unless you have a combo of the same triples (3T-3T, or 3Lo-3Lo). There are different rules for quads and triples.

Actually, Patrick did 4toe-3toe, 3axel and a solo 3flip. I'm really not sure the rules change when there are quads involved. For example, the only skater who did 2 quads in a short program is Kevin Renolds and it was a 4toe and a 4salchow!

The rules are the same for quads and triples.
In the SP, you are not allowed to repeat a triple/quad jump, the only exception being if you repeat the jump in the same combination, like 3T-3T or 3L-3L. You are not allowed to repeat the jump as a solo jump( Mao can't do 3F-3L, 3L and 2A/3A but she could do, for example, 3L-3L, 3F as the solo jump and 2A/3A). In the LP you are allowed to repeat a triple/quad jump only once, but at least one of them must be in combination(but both of them can be, it's the skater's choice). For example, Mao is doing both her 3F in combination, which is perfectly fine. But if you do a solo 3F, the next one must be in combination or else the second solo 3F will receive only 80% of it's value(not to mention that it's still considered a jump combination/sequence so basically the skater remains with only 2 jump combinations/sequences possible.) If a skater repeats a jump for the third time, the jump(or the whole combination if that jump is done in combination) gets no points(look, for example, at Nobunari Oda's protocol from 2011 worlds LP. He planned 4T-3T but only managed 3T-3T; the next combo planned, and executed was 3A-3T but he was not allowed to do a third 3T. He should have tried only 3A-2T. By doing 3A-3T he got no points for this combo and lost the bronze medal).
Double jumps are not restricted in the LP, with the exception of the 2A. Only two 2A are allowed(starting from 2010-2011 season) but both can be solo jumps.

bibi you're right. Looks like I got confused as well. A skater (men) is allowed to do two quads, but one of those must be in a combo and the other must be different. Kevin is the only skater who's done that? I thought Joubert did as well (in his prime years).

Lady_in_black thank you for explaining in such detail!

I think Javier Fernandez is trying to get two quads into his programs this season in his short. We'll see what happens...

zarinaballerina wrote:

bibi you're right. Looks like I got confused as well. A skater (men) is allowed to do two quads, but one of those must be in a combo and the other must be different. Kevin is the only skater who's done that? I thought Joubert did as well (in his prime years).

Lady_in_black thank you for explaining in such detail!

Your welcome
You are right, only Kevin managed to land two quads in the SP. There are others who managed to land 3 quads in the LP, the first was Timothy Goebel(also the first one to land a 4Salchow in combination) at 2002 Olympics. Brian Joubert did it too at at a GP event(one solo 4T, one 4T in combination and one 4S), I think is was in Russia. I don't remember others right now

When will be the official broadcasting for Nagoya festival?

alyssa wrote:

When will be the official broadcasting for Nagoya festival?

Not for awhile, unfortunately. Here's the info from kirakira:

kirakira wrote:

TV Schedule

1/30 00:50~(JST) Tokai-TV

vids come~~　
https://youtu.be/sB_KI_Q9zYU　
https://youtu.be/2G6fau0ca08
https://youtu.be/4aF7OxyQ_6I

Thank you shikure

They made a mess with camera angles.

Taka　https://youtu.be/zmlN07R6ePo

https://youtu.be/-lLhqX-WQI4 some other fluffs (? sorry I can't check it in office)