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shar Triple Loop
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| Subject: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:41 pm | |
| 2013 Rostelecom Cup The 2013 Grand Prix Series concludes with the Rostelecom Cup, Nov. 22-24 in Moscow. The Rostelecom Cup, the sixth and final event in the 2013 Grand Prix Series, takes place Nov. 22-24 in Moscow. Four-time pairs world champions Aliona Savchenko and Robin Szolkowy and 2012 world champion Carolina Kostner are among those in the field. Ice Network 2013-2014 SCHEDULED (ALL TIMES EASTERN) 11/22/2013 6:00am Ladies short program 11/22/2013 7:40am Pairs short program 11/22/2013 9:45am Men's short program 11/22/2013 11:25am Short dance 11/23/2013 5:00am Ladies free skate 11/23/2013 6:50am Pairs free skate 11/23/2013 8:30am Men's free skate 11/23/2013 10:30am Free dance Only 2 more days to see if Caro can top Julia, or will she lose to another Russian teenage phenom. I so hope Caro gets her mojo back and do her best. Goo Caro! | |
| | | shar Triple Loop
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:03 pm | |
| ISU GP Rostelecom Cup 2013 Ladies Entries No. Name Nation 1 Carolina KOSTNER ITA 1 2 Haruka IMAI JPN 2 3 Satoko MIYAHARA JPN 2 4 Kanako MURAKAMI JPN 2 5 Nikol GOSVIANI RUS 3 6 Julia LIPNITSKAIA RUS 3 7 Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA RUS 3 8 Mirai NAGASU USA 4 9 Agnes ZAWADZKI USA 4 OMG! This is a very full lineup. I forgot Kanako and Mirai are competing here...and Liza! Wow, 3 Japanese, 3 Russians, and 2 Americans. I think this event will be the most interesting one for the ladies. Who do you guys think have the best chance at winning? p.s. Isn't Liza competing with Yuna and Miki the same weekend as the GPF? What if (by the stroke of luck) she wins and qualifies for the GPF? Will she have to choose, or... I'm so confused by all these competitions going on at the same time. | |
| | | pearlyriver Triple Axel
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:07 pm | |
| Wow, this event even has more of my favorite skaters . I hope Carol and Mirai and won't bomb this time Hm, was Michelle ever referred to as the queen as frequently as Yuna?
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| | | shar Triple Loop
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:08 pm | |
| Men Entries No. Name Nation 1 Brian JOUBERT FRA 1 2 Peter LIEBERS GER 2 3 Tatsuki MACHIDA JPN 3 4 Artur GACHINSKI RUS 4 5 Maxim KOVTUN RUS 4 6 Konstantin MENSHOV RUS 4 7 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 5 8 Richard DORNBUSH USA 6 9 Joshua FARRIS USA 6 10 Misha GE UZB 7 As far as the men, I think it's just a battle between Machida and Javier(If he's clean), I wonder who has the best chance to come in 3rd? Damn it Plushy ...this would have been soooo interesting if Plushy hadn't pulled out.
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| | | shar Triple Loop
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:10 pm | |
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| | | pearlyriver Triple Axel
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:24 pm | |
| - shar wrote:
- Men
Entries No. Name Nation 1 Brian JOUBERT FRA 1 2 Peter LIEBERS GER 2 3 Tatsuki MACHIDA JPN 3 4 Artur GACHINSKI RUS 4 5 Maxim KOVTUN RUS 4 6 Konstantin MENSHOV RUS 4 7 Javier FERNANDEZ ESP 5 8 Richard DORNBUSH USA 6 9 Joshua FARRIS USA 6 10 Misha GE UZB 7
As far as the men, I think it's just a battle between Machida and Javier(If he's clean), I wonder who has the best chance to come in 3rd?
Damn it Plushy ...this would have been soooo interesting if Plushy hadn't pulled out. Kovtun, he has the technical arsenal, although his programs are not memorable. The men's event and ice dancing seem to be boring IMO. | |
| | | shar Triple Loop
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:43 pm | |
| - pearlyriver wrote:
Kovtun, he has the technical arsenal, although his programs are not memorable. The men's event and ice dancing seem to be boring IMO. Yeah, but can you imagine how exciting Plushy would've made the mens competition if he competed? | |
| | | zarinaballerina Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:36 am | |
| - shar wrote:
p.s. Isn't Liza competing with Yuna and Miki the same weekend as the GPF? What if (by the stroke of luck) she wins and qualifies for the GPF? Will she have to choose, or... I'm so confused by all these competitions going on at the same time. Liza is competing in Zagreb? Didn't know this. It doesn't matter what happens at CoR, Liza can't go to GPF. For this to happen, both Julia and Caro would need a complete meltdown and place last or something like this. Though, Caro needs to place at least second here if she wants to go to GPF. Anyone wanna bet, that this what judges will ensure, no matter what. So far the GPF lineup is as followed: Mao Ashley Anna Adelina Elena Akiko. Julia (unless she has a complete meltdown) is going, and like I said IF Caro places in second, she needs an overall higher score than Elena, or she's out, if she wins she's definitely in, if she places in third or lower she's out. So the way things are going Akiko is out of GPF and Elena needs to wait to see how Caro will do, or where the judges will put her. Theoreticly Liza could still make it, but for that to happen, Caro would have to placed third, and Liza would have to win CoR with a minimum overall score of 200. I don't see this happening. The same with Caro, if she places second here, her total score will have to be 203 points if she wants to edge Elena out. It's certainly going to be an interesting competition. | |
| | | pearlyriver Triple Axel
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:46 am | |
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| | | Iceriver Double Axel
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:14 am | |
| So the GPF will probably be Mao, Ashley, Anna, Adelina, Julia and Caro or Elena, then? As for the men, I think that we will have four Japanese men again plus Patrick and Han Yan. It will be an exciting final for sure . What are B/S and W/P chances to make it to GPF? I don't really like B/S free dance this season while I was really impressed by W/P tango...I found the music strange at first but then I thought it was a really expressive program. I've loved this two since their Je suis malade FD. BTW, can't wait to see Mao again in the GPF!!! | |
| | | zarinaballerina Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:41 am | |
| - Iceriver wrote:
- So the GPF will probably be Mao, Ashley, Anna, Adelina, Julia and Caro or Elena, then? As for the men, I think that we will have four Japanese men again plus Patrick and Han Yan. It will be an exciting final for sure . What are B/S and W/P chances to make it to GPF? I don't really like B/S free dance this season while I was really impressed by W/P tango...I found the music strange at first but then I thought it was a really expressive program. I've loved this two since their Je suis malade FD.
BTW, can't wait to see Mao again in the GPF!!! Yes, the last GPF spot in the ladies is going to be decided between Caro and Elena (unless Julia has a complete meltdown), though like I said, IMO, the judges will make sure Caro is going. I'm not so sure about the men. It all depends how Kovtun will skate here. If he does well (places on the podium) then Oda is out, all Machida needs to so is podium and he's in. Both B/S and W/P are going to GPF as along as they win a medal here and Chock/Bates don't beat them. Again, IMO, they're assured the place in GPF, since they are much better, or at least their programs are much better than the C/B. - pearlyriver wrote:
- Oh, that's right, Yuna, Miki and Liza will have a showdown in Zagreb
What showdown? Yuna can slide on her butt through her entire program and she'll either post a WR, or very close to it. Injur my foot . She's too injured to compete at TEB, but is healthy enough for this one? Look, a miraculous healing! | |
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| | | | shar Triple Loop
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:46 pm | |
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| | | shar Triple Loop
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:07 pm | |
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| | | zarinaballerina Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:32 pm | |
| - shar wrote:
- http://thewrongedgefigureskatingblog.blogspot.com/2013/11/rostelecom-cup-men-preview.html?m=1
According to this article, Javier said that some of the judges advised him to go back to his Chaplin program after NHK. Can the judges do that...advise a skater on which program to use? I completely agree with them! Watching Javi's LP, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Chaplin was so good, and in the Olympic year Wilson gives him this?! I'm sorry, but is he trying to sabotage Javi? | |
| | | chapis Triple Loop
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:32 pm | |
| - shar wrote:
- http://thewrongedgefigureskatingblog.blogspot.com/2013/11/rostelecom-cup-men-preview.html?m=1
According to this article, Javier said that some of the judges advised him to go back to his Chaplin program after NHK. Can the judges do that...advise a skater on which program to use? Yes, some judes advise skaters, and I agree too, he needs throw off his new program , There isn`t time to do a new program so, combe back to Chaplin seems reasonable. And It will be interesting to watch Brian J. | |
| | | shar Triple Loop
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:42 pm | |
| - chapis wrote:
- shar wrote:
- http://thewrongedgefigureskatingblog.blogspot.com/2013/11/rostelecom-cup-men-preview.html?m=1
According to this article, Javier said that some of the judges advised him to go back to his Chaplin program after NHK. Can the judges do that...advise a skater on which program to use? Yes, some judes advise skaters, and I agree too, he needs throw off his new program , There isn`t time to do a new program so, combe back to Chaplin seems reasonable. And It will be interesting to watch Brian J. Thanks chapis. I never knew the judges can give inputs to a skater regarding liking/disliking/replacing a program. If the judges thinks so, and if Chaplin was a better program than the one he has now, then I agree that he should change it. | |
| | | pearlyriver Triple Axel
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:32 pm | |
| - shar wrote:
- chapis wrote:
- shar wrote:
- http://thewrongedgefigureskatingblog.blogspot.com/2013/11/rostelecom-cup-men-preview.html?m=1
According to this article, Javier said that some of the judges advised him to go back to his Chaplin program after NHK. Can the judges do that...advise a skater on which program to use? Yes, some judes advise skaters, and I agree too, he needs throw off his new program , There isn`t time to do a new program so, combe back to Chaplin seems reasonable. And It will be interesting to watch Brian J. Thanks chapis. I never knew the judges can give inputs to a skater regarding liking/disliking/replacing a program.
If the judges thinks so, and if Chaplin was a better program than the one he has now, then I agree that he should change it. That's puzzling. I never think that judges can meet up skaters and offer their input . But his program this year is truly horrendous. | |
| | | Haidogirl Triple Loop
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:11 am | |
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| | | zarinaballerina Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:25 am | |
| - Haidogirl wrote:
Oh and before i forget: GO KANAKOOOOOOO~~ I agree, go Kanako! I'm really curious how this competition will unfold. How high will Julia score, will she make it over 200? How will Caro do, will judges hold her up, or will they score her fairly, or will Caro have a great competition. And then there's Liza, will she redeem herself here... I can't wait! To those who are familiar with Russian qualifying system, do skaters qualify for Sochi only at Nats, or does the skater who places on the podium at GPF get an automatic berth for Sochi? 4 years ago JSF decided that the skater who places the highest at GPF gets an automatic berth to Vancouver, hence Miki placed 4 at nats, but still went to Oly's, because she was already qualifyed due to her second place finish at GPF. I hope JSF plans to repeat this, because it would mean that Mao (being the only japanese lady there) will qualify the moment GPF ends, thus she can try that stupid second 3A at Nats, without worrying about the consequences. | |
| | | pearlyriver Triple Axel
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:45 am | |
| - zarinaballerina wrote:
To those who are familiar with Russian qualifying system, do skaters qualify for Sochi only at Nats, or does the skater who places on the podium at GPF get an automatic berth for Sochi?
4 years ago JSF decided that the skater who places the highest at GPF gets an automatic berth to Vancouver, hence Miki placed 4 at nats, but still went to Oly's, because she was already qualifyed due to her second place finish at GPF. I hope JSF plans to repeat this, because it would mean that Mao (being the only japanese lady there) will qualify the moment GPF ends, thus she can try that stupid second 3A at Nats, without worrying about the consequences. I read an interview with Anna, in which the Russian reporter said that only one berth is decided by sport principle, another will be decided by coach counsels and 2 girls from the same figure skating school in Moscow won't be chosen together. FS in Russia is very political, but if Adelina or Anna can prove that she has the best chance in Sochi, I think the Russian fed can't afford to ignore it when it hits them in the face. As far as I know, the Finnish Fs fed decide the berths by averaging out results achieved at international competitions, so that the most consistent skater will be chosen and the Nats won't be a bloodbath. | |
| | | zarinaballerina Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:23 am | |
| - pearlyriver wrote:
- I read an interview with Anna, in which the Russian reporter said that only one berth is decided by sport principle, another will be decided by coach counsels and 2 girls from the same figure skating school in Moscow won't be chosen together. FS in Russia is very political, but if Adelina or Anna can prove that she has the best chance in Sochi, I think the Russian fed can't afford to ignore it when it hits them in the face. As far as I know, the Finnish Fs fed decide the berths by averaging out results achieved at international competitions, so that the most consistent skater will be chosen and the Nats won't be a bloodbath.
Now this is ridiculous. the best 2 should go, no matter from which school they come. Hello?! Why punish the school, if it happens to have more than one amazing skater? Aren't Julia, Adelina and Anna all in the same club/school? Or do they just train in the same city. | |
| | | pearlyriver Triple Axel
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:28 am | |
| - zarinaballerina wrote:
- pearlyriver wrote:
- I read an interview with Anna, in which the Russian reporter said that only one berth is decided by sport principle, another will be decided by coach counsels and 2 girls from the same figure skating school in Moscow won't be chosen together. FS in Russia is very political, but if Adelina or Anna can prove that she has the best chance in Sochi, I think the Russian fed can't afford to ignore it when it hits them in the face. As far as I know, the Finnish Fs fed decide the berths by averaging out results achieved at international competitions, so that the most consistent skater will be chosen and the Nats won't be a bloodbath.
Now this is ridiculous. the best 2 should go, no matter from which school they come. Hello?! Why punish the school, if it happens to have more than one amazing skater?
Aren't Julia, Adelina and Anna all in the same club/school? Or do they just train in the same city. They are. That's why Anna said that they should let Julia go instead of her, because Julia is better. Sport management in Russian is ridiculous, at least for FS and gymnastics. No wonder why Rafa said that no American coach would survive in Russia and that he's used to the weather and comfort in LA. I bet "comfort" here doesn't exclusively mean wealth and facilities. | |
| | | zarinaballerina Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:33 am | |
| - pearlyriver wrote:
- zarinaballerina wrote:
- pearlyriver wrote:
- I read an interview with Anna, in which the Russian reporter said that only one berth is decided by sport principle, another will be decided by coach counsels and 2 girls from the same figure skating school in Moscow won't be chosen together. FS in Russia is very political, but if Adelina or Anna can prove that she has the best chance in Sochi, I think the Russian fed can't afford to ignore it when it hits them in the face. As far as I know, the Finnish Fs fed decide the berths by averaging out results achieved at international competitions, so that the most consistent skater will be chosen and the Nats won't be a bloodbath.
Now this is ridiculous. the best 2 should go, no matter from which school they come. Hello?! Why punish the school, if it happens to have more than one amazing skater?
Aren't Julia, Adelina and Anna all in the same club/school? Or do they just train in the same city. They are. That's why Anna said that they should let Julia go instead of her, because Julia is better. Sport management in Russian is ridiculous, at least for FS and gymnastics. No wonder why Rafa said that no American coach would survive in Russia and that he's used to the weather and comfort in LA. I bet "comfort" here doesn't exclusively mean wealth and facilities. So Adelina is in different club then that Julia/Anna? Because I don't see Russian Fed leaving Adelina at home, and Julia is outskating everyone, so they can't leave her at home. So IMO, the team is going to be Julia and Adelina. | |
| | | roma Dedicated Mao Fan
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| Subject: Re: Rostelecom Cup 2013 Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:45 am | |
| What I'm interested in is how they'll score PCS if both Caro and Julia skate clean. Caro's tech isn't as high as Julia's so this is gonna be interesting. I hope Caro skates clean. | |
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