NHK Trophy 2011

europeanfan wrote:

One year ago Mao got some < on her combinations with loop, because she was starting rotating it to early, when she was still on the ice. Isn't "delaying" jump solution to this problem?

Delaying too much might also be a problem. In order to make sure she has time for full rotation, she'll need to have more height in the air.

aoi88 wrote:

Delaying too much might also be a problem. In order to make sure she has time for full rotation, she'll need to have more height in the air.

So I hope it won't affect her jumps to much


I almost forgot to say something about Mao's new SP

Well... I suppose I'm not the only one who is bored with soooooo many programs to Scheherazade, so first time I got to know Mao chose it, I wasn't happy. But... after watching clip from her practice I have to admit the version (or part of music - I'm not sure) which Tat has choosen, sounds MUCH better than the piece michelle, yuna, evan and many other skaters have used in the past. It sound so mysteriously...

MaoChan756 wrote:

Is it possible she does a 3A - 3f3l and a 3f in her SP?

Unfortunately, she can't. In the short you're not allowed to repeat the same triple unless they're both in a combination (3T-3T). Since you can't do 3F-3F, she'll either have to change the second 3 flip to a lutz, or use something else as her 3rd jump.

https://youtu.be/RQy5EvpjmYg Dai and Taka's NHK special
https://youtu.be/0JBnCWCU1XU Dai and Taka ~qual

shikure wrote:

https://youtu.be/RQy5EvpjmYg Dai and Taka's NHK special
https://youtu.be/0JBnCWCU1XU Dai and Taka ~qual

shikure you're the best! I hope Taka will listen to Kurt's advice and be a rock star.

Go Dai, Mao, Taka, Akiko!

I can't wait until friday!!

I hope it gets to the point where Mao is comfortable putting a triple lutz back into her short program. A triple lutz, triple flip-triple loop, and either a double or triple axel would be one heck of a killer short program.

thank you shikure for all the vids and updates. wow, you've been very busy bringing us goodies! and thank you, everyone, for the translations and insights.

so glad to see mao looking happy in these vids. i'm loving the flow over the ice. mao's vids give me all sorts of good vibes. i still wish she looked a tiny bit less thin, but as long as she has enough power to give a performance _she's_ happy with.

why does NHK have to come so late in the season? i know we've seen 3 GP's already, but it feels like the season isn't really under way until mao skates

wouldn't it be great if mao's jumps become so immaculate that after this season the mindset of the technical callers will shift, and in the future they won't be half-expecting to find errors when they review mao's jumps? kind of like the way people talk about liza tut's perfect technique now. mao's certainly worked long and hard on the technique re-building.

good health and good luck, mao!

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I can't wait for Mao's skating. I hope she will the competition

I doubt she will go for a 3lutz in her SP, I think she will try 3lo-3lo, 3A and 3F for Sochi, and for now she will just go for 3lo-2lo, 3A and 3F....

Dani-Chan wrote:

I doubt she will go for a 3lutz in her SP, I think she will try 3lo-3lo, 3A and 3F for Sochi, and for now she will just go for 3lo-2lo, 3A and 3F....

3lo-2lo, 3A and 3F seems killer enough to peak the SP! Am I right? 0O

Am just scared of the 3A! Am sorry - But that jump taxes her whole pros...
A teeny tiny UR and here she is 2nd or 3rd...
(irrespective of the fact that the program was WONDERFUL i.e worlds 2010 SP for e.g)
I love the fact that she practically made the 3A her 'thing'!
But right now its time to get that ticket of glory - Not to play it risky...
I would hate to see her broken after so much! She doesn't deserve that!

Thank you all for the updates!
I am sorry I am not taking part in discussions again, but I am crazy busy - learning night and day.

However I will watch NHK Trophy for sure! Fortunately, according to the schedule, Eurosport will show ladies' SP and LP live! (with no danger of switching to alpine skiing, since slaloms in Levi got cancelled ). YAY!

I am already crossing my fingers for Mao! Can't wait!

Dani-Chan wrote:

I doubt she will go for a 3lutz in her SP, I think she will try 3lo-3lo, 3A and 3F for Sochi, and for now she will just go for 3lo-2lo, 3A and 3F....

But wouldn't it be safer if she does the toe jump in the combination, maybe 3f-3t, since the second loop rarely gets credited by the judges. I believe this is the reason Miki stoped doing 3lutz-3loop.

zarinaballerina wrote:

Dani-Chan wrote:

I doubt she will go for a 3lutz in her SP, I think she will try 3lo-3lo, 3A and 3F for Sochi, and for now she will just go for 3lo-2lo, 3A and 3F....

But wouldn't it be safer if she does the toe jump in the combination, maybe 3f-3t, since the second loop rarely gets credited by the judges. I believe this is the reason Miki stoped doing 3lutz-3loop.

It would be safer, but last season she had problems rotating the 3T in the 2A-3T combination, not to mention the fact that considering the changes she made with the 3F, I'm not so sure she can add a triple jump after it so soon. She must take it slow because there is always the risk of getting back to old habits in the competition thanks to nerves and emotions. She has long term goals and she must stick with them and not rush thinks. Step by step, with the right technique and hard work(that is not gonna be a problem for Mao), 3-3 combinations and 3A will come along eventually. This season she does not need 3-3 combos or 3A to win back the world title
As for her SP, I think her jumps will be 3F-2L, 3L and 2A. Mirai scored 60+ with 3Lz(e)-2T, 3L and 2A, Mao can do better then this

Lady_in_black wrote:

It would be safer, but last season she had problems rotating the 3T in the 2A-3T combination, not to mention the fact that considering the changes she made with the 3F, I'm not so sure she can add a triple jump after it so soon.

3F-3L during the warm-up @2011:
https://2img.net/h/oi53.tinypic.com/24fw64y.gif
also, 2A-3T that looked fully rotated:
https://2img.net/h/oi52.tinypic.com/29m6nv9.gif

With Mao's current style of jumping, the speed is the key: if she approaches the jump with enough speed and doesn't lose it on the landing, she should be able to rotate the second jump fully. I think this is part of the reason why Team Mao is dedicating so much attention to increasing Mao's speed this season.

Okami, wow, I stand corrected! Thanks, I had no idea Mao landed the 3F-3L combo in 2011, even if it was just in the warm up. I remember seeing her in practice with good 2A-3T though but she never got credit for it in competitions. What do you think her jump layout will be for her SP?

Okami wrote:

Lady_in_black wrote:

It would be safer, but last season she had problems rotating the 3T in the 2A-3T combination, not to mention the fact that considering the changes she made with the 3F, I'm not so sure she can add a triple jump after it so soon.

3F-3L during the warm-up @2011:
https://2img.net/h/oi53.tinypic.com/24fw64y.gif
also, 2A-3T that looked fully rotated:
https://2img.net/h/oi52.tinypic.com/29m6nv9.gif

With Mao's current style of jumping, the speed is the key: if she approaches the jump with enough speed and doesn't lose it on the landing, she should be able to rotate the second jump fully. I think this is part of the reason why Team Mao is dedicating so much attention to increasing Mao's speed this season.

oh shizzlesfiefjef
that 2a-3t is actually beautiful and has a good length too

Mao needs victory at NHK Trophy to regain confidence

From Jack Gallagher of the Japan Times. This makes me quite pissed with all his list of Mao's failures in her competitions last season but there's not a single mention that she went back to basics and reworked her jumps. Mao may be very talented but she's no miracle worker. To think that she has shown quite an improvement in Japan Nationals and 4CC says a lot of what she can do. She is still improving and I have faith in her.

http://www.afpbb.com/article/sports/winter/figure-skating/2838760/8020584
you can see medalist in NHK Trophy from 2001--> most amazing is 2006, all the medalist are Japanese!!!

roma wrote:

Mao needs victory at NHK Trophy to regain confidence

From Jack Gallagher of the Japan Times. This makes me quite pissed with all his list of Mao's failures in her competitions last season but there's not a single mention that she went back to basics and reworked her jumps. Mao may be very talented but she's no miracle worker. To think that she has shown quite an improvement in Japan Nationals and 4CC says a lot of what she can do. She is still improving and I have faith in her.

yes, the article was slanted in the usual gallagher way (i've only been reading him for a short time but i recognize his tone). sometimes i wonder if 'japanice' on FSU is really gallagher himself, or his publicist. the article is so slanted there are even YNK fans defending mao on GS and FSU

roma wrote:

Mao needs victory at NHK Trophy to regain confidence

From Jack Gallagher of the Japan Times. This makes me quite pissed with all his list of Mao's failures in her competitions last season but there's not a single mention that she went back to basics and reworked her jumps. Mao may be very talented but she's no miracle worker. To think that she has shown quite an improvement in Japan Nationals and 4CC says a lot of what she can do. She is still improving and I have faith in her.

Typical Gallagher Would it kill him to do some research, or actually state the facts?!

I wouldn't call any of Mao's achievements last season 'failures', I'd rather call them "journey to excellence" because what she is really aiming for is Sochi
let gallagher bitch, haters gonna hate... meanwhile they are still poorer and less talented than her

serously guys i can't believe that in a few days we will be able to see mao again waaaaahhh i really can't wait. all this excitement and nervousness.... i wish friday would be here sooner...lol

ballerinamao wrote:

serously guys i can't believe that in a few days we will be able to see mao again waaaaahhh i really can't wait. all this excitement and nervousness.... i wish friday would be here sooner...lol

No no Bellarinamao, friday shouldn't come sooner...I need time to breath and be prepared otherwise, I will be in front of the TV.

I'm another one who dearly missed Mao. There's something missing in competitions since Yuna, Miki, Joannie all left and Mao not here yet. It's boring I would say. Mao is so special.

I really want to see Mao at GPF.

You go girl !!!!

ddmm wrote:

There's something missing in competitions since Yuna, Miki, Joannie all left and Mao not here yet. It's boring I would say.

I second that

But... Let's wait till Friday