Worlds 2013 Part 2

Here is a video of the photos helen showed us earlier.
I think that not only David but also everyone feels
tempted to wipe tears from Yuzu's face ...
(from 2:15)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB9122f5Upc

Lady_in_black wrote:

Don't worry ballerinamao, Mao is used to this media "attack", she deals with it from her junior days.

I know, I just felt kind of overwhelmed when I saw this picture with all these reporters around Mao. no matter how often this happens I just can't get used to them, they are soo many it's quite scary even to me who only sees it from outside, but like you said Mao is probably used to handling them.

josling wrote:

Just heard that Savchenko/Szolkowy are planning the throw 3A (if they really go for it) as LAST element of their FS!! That's totally crazy but incredibly exciting!!!

RESPECT! And as the last element?! Seriously, if they pull this off, they're going to win 5th world title. There's NO WAY Tanya/Max could beat this, no matter how much judges love them.

PochinkoPotanko wrote:

I wish she'd change her 3F-3Lo to 3F-3T. The base point difference is only 1! I like second loops but it's just too risky and isn't worth it.

I've been saying this whole season. Any combo with 3Lo as a second jump is not worth the risk, because it will always get downgraded. You could be Yuna Kim and it would still get downgraded. Judges just love to do that with 3Lo.

Kanako is in third because of the PCS?!!! After that gorgeous program?! What more do the judges want?!!!


I'm watching pairs and it's really weird seeing 28 year old Han Zhang with his 15 year old partner and skating to Poeta at that.

silenceisgolden wrote:

Here is a video of the photos helen showed us earlier.
I think that not only David but also everyone feels
tempted to wipe tears from Yuzu's face ...
(from 2:15)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB9122f5Upc

Thanx for posting this!

Yuzu baby, please don't cry. It's breaking my heart seeing him like this. I hope almost against hope that he'll somehow pull of an amazing LP. And hopefully so will Javi, I want to see him on the podium so badly.

zarinaballerina wrote:

josling wrote:

Just heard that Savchenko/Szolkowy are planning the throw 3A (if they really go for it) as LAST element of their FS!! That's totally crazy but incredibly exciting!!!

RESPECT! And as the last element?! Seriously, if they pull this off, they're going to win 5th world title. There's NO WAY Tanya/Max could beat this, no matter how much judges love them.

PochinkoPotanko wrote:

I wish she'd change her 3F-3Lo to 3F-3T. The base point difference is only 1! I like second loops but it's just too risky and isn't worth it.

I've been saying this whole season. Any combo with 3Lo as a second jump is not worth the risk, because it will always get downgraded. You could be Yuna Kim and it would still get downgraded. Judges just love to do that with 3Lo.

Kanako is in third because of the PCS?!!! After that gorgeous program?! What more do the judges want?!!!


I'm watching pairs and it's really weird seeing 28 year old Han Zhang with his 15 year old partner and skating to Poeta at that.

I feel dumb for asking this, but why doesn't Mao change her 3F-3Lo or why don't the Satos tell her? It's obvious to see that it's not worth the risk. Attempting it is honorable, but it means nothing if it gets downgraded, which is very very likely.

I first watched Han Zhang on the TV as a kid when he won the silver medal at Torino. It's so weird to see him struggling now, with a girl 10 years younger than him. The age difference must be difficult for them. No offense, but at the end of the program, he seemed like: "Man, I'm too old for this".

zarinaballerina wrote:

RESPECT! And as the last element?! Seriously, if they pull this off, they're going to win 5th world title. There's NO WAY Tanya/Max could beat this, no matter how much judges love them.

Are you really sure about it?

pearlyriver wrote:

I feel dumb for asking this, but why doesn't Mao change her 3F-3Lo or why don't the Satos tell her? It's obvious to see that it's not worth the risk. Attempting it is honorable, but it means nothing if it gets downgraded, which is very very likely.

I first watched Han Zhang on the TV as a kid when he won the silver medal at Torino. It's so weird to see him struggling now, with a girl 10 years younger than him. The age difference must be difficult for them. No offense, but at the end of the program, he seemed like: "Man, I'm too old for this".

I've been asking myself the same question. Even Miki, who was a monster when it came to jumping couldn't get 3Lu-3Lo ratyfied, so you can imagine what Mao's chances are.
actually Hao zhang is 13 years older, and parts of their choreography made me uncomfortable...

Canadian couple just skated a clean program. We just got a look at what Kaetlyn's score is going to be if she skates clean tomorrow, 130 points.

Mao2012 wrote:

zarinaballerina wrote:

RESPECT! And as the last element?! Seriously, if they pull this off, they're going to win 5th world title. There's NO WAY Tanya/Max could beat this, no matter how much judges love them.

Are you really sure about it?

Yeah you're right, I should've word it differently. If they pulled this off then if judging would be fair, there's no way Tanya/Max could beat this, however as the things stand...

pearlyriver wrote:

I feel dumb for asking this, but why doesn't Mao change her 3F-3Lo or why don't the Satos tell her? It's obvious to see that it's not worth the risk. Attempting it is honorable, but it means nothing if it gets downgraded, which is very very likely.

Actually I feel like it's worth it:

3F-2Lo with +GOE was 7.50 (GPF) to 8.00 (4CC)
3F-3Lo< (at 4CC) scored 8.50 with slight -GOE. If Mao gets the height and distance, even a UR affects the GOE slightly.
If she lands a 3F-3L however, the score would be huge.

Maybe inskate who's more of an expert on this can share their opinion

quing Pang/Jian Pang where amazing I really enjoyed their program

sapphiresky wrote:

pearlyriver wrote:

I feel dumb for asking this, but why doesn't Mao change her 3F-3Lo or why don't the Satos tell her? It's obvious to see that it's not worth the risk. Attempting it is honorable, but it means nothing if it gets downgraded, which is very very likely.

Actually I feel like it's worth it:

3F-2Lo with +GOE was 7.50 (GPF) to 8.00 (4CC)
3F-3Lo< (at 4CC) scored 8.50 with slight -GOE. If Mao gets the height and distance, even a UR affects the GOE slightly.
If she lands a 3F-3L however, the score would be huge.

Maybe inskate who's more of an expert on this can share their opinion

I didn't know the penalty isn't "that big". I thought it would be harsher. Base value for a clean 3F-3Lo is 10.4, base value for 3F-3T is 9.4

ballerinamao wrote:

quing Pang/Jian Pang where amazing I really enjoyed their program

I liked them much better than Canadians, too bad they were behind them in the SP, the score they needed to beat them was just too big.

zarinaballerina wrote:

Yeah you're right, I should've word it differently. If they pulled this off then if judging would be fair, there's no way Tanya/Max could beat this, however as the things stand...

S/S won't win and I hardly believe they'll land a throw 3A at the end of the program but since they won't win, might as well go down with a bang. Really love them for this

sapphiresky wrote:

pearlyriver wrote:

I feel dumb for asking this, but why doesn't Mao change her 3F-3Lo or why don't the Satos tell her? It's obvious to see that it's not worth the risk. Attempting it is honorable, but it means nothing if it gets downgraded, which is very very likely.

Actually I feel like it's worth it:

3F-2Lo with +GOE was 7.50 (GPF) to 8.00 (4CC)
3F-3Lo< (at 4CC) scored 8.50 with slight -GOE. If Mao gets the height and distance, even a UR affects the GOE slightly.
If she lands a 3F-3L however, the score would be huge.

Maybe inskate who's more of an expert on this can share their opinion

I agree with you.

Doing 3-3Ls used to be extremely risky, because under the old rules the underrotated triple not only had its base value downgraded to that of a double jump, but also the judges were forced to give the combo negative GoE. In result, a slightly flawed 3-3L ended up being worth way less than a 3-2 combo. Thankfully it's no longer the case.

As for why Mao isn't attempting 3F-3T - I think it's simply not ready yet. It would be yet another new element that she'd have to put a lot of effort into perfecting, and right now her jumping layout is full of elements that are still relatively new to her.

Speaking of jumps - I uploaded a zipped gif pack here: http://speedy.sh/58HH8/Upload-gifs.zip
(Mostly practice clips from Worlds, + some from 4CC + 1 from GPF)
I uploaded some of them at http://figureskatinggifs.tumblr.com/ (but there are more in the pack)

Lady_in_black wrote:

S/S won't win and I hardly believe they'll land a throw 3A at the end of the program but since they won't win, might as well go down with a bang. Really love them for this

Someone at Golden skate said, that their coach said on a TV that Aliona will decide wether she'll risk 3A during the program itself. But hipothetically, if they would land 3A and were squeaky clean, how in the world could Tanya/Max beat this. And this is coming from a HUGE Tanya/Max fan.

inskate wrote:

sapphiresky wrote:

pearlyriver wrote:

I feel dumb for asking this, but why doesn't Mao change her 3F-3Lo or why don't the Satos tell her? It's obvious to see that it's not worth the risk. Attempting it is honorable, but it means nothing if it gets downgraded, which is very very likely.

Actually I feel like it's worth it:

3F-2Lo with +GOE was 7.50 (GPF) to 8.00 (4CC)
3F-3Lo< (at 4CC) scored 8.50 with slight -GOE. If Mao gets the height and distance, even a UR affects the GOE slightly.
If she lands a 3F-3L however, the score would be huge.

Maybe inskate who's more of an expert on this can share their opinion

I agree with you.

Doing 3-3Ls used to be extremely risky, because under the old rules the underrotated triple not only had its base value downgraded to that of a double jump, but also the judges were forced to give the combo negative GoE. In result, a slightly flawed 3-3L ended up being worth way less than a 3-2 combo. Thankfully it's no longer the case.

As for why Mao isn't attempting 3F-3T - I think it's simply not ready yet. It would be yet another new element that she'd have to put a lot of effort into perfecting, and right now her jumping layout is full of elements that are still relatively new to her.

Speaking of jumps - I uploaded a zipped gif pack here: http://speedy.sh/58HH8/Upload-gifs.zip
(Mostly practice clips from Worlds, + some from 4CC + 1 from GPF)
I uploaded some of them at http://figureskatinggifs.tumblr.com/ (but there are more in the pack)

Thanks inskate! We can always count on you for answers haha!

Off to watch those files...

I love Duhamel's dress.

They were almost clean.

I don't like this Worlds so far. Pretty much every skater I root for isn't doing great.
Really hope S/S bring it

Germans on the ice, lets see what they'll do.

urgh, i hate their costumes.

Who doesn't? That 3A may have saved them the silver... we'll see.

My feed just doesn't cooperate today I think I saw S/S go for throw 3A, though..?

They landed the throw 3A!!! At the very end...that was cool...

It was the first time I saw their Bolero....it's actually tolerable compared to Carolina's

Yup, the 3A saved them, and the Canadian crowd is not happy.

holy cow she actually went for it! two footed I think but she landed it, there were mistakes though...

132, enough for the lead (silver) canadians aren't happy.